Members Deke08 Posted January 6, 2010 Members Share Posted January 6, 2010 For those of you that use a quad box instead of the power "conditioner" to power your amps, I have some questions.....Do you plug all the amps into the quad box at every gig, or does the box reside in the amp case?If the box resides in the amp case, do you have it mounted?.....and how so?I built a quad box some time ago, and mine resides in the case, but I have yet to figure out a way to mount it without drilling holes in my amp case. So, it is just flopping around in there. Let me know what you guys do.....and attach pics if you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gspointer Posted January 6, 2010 Members Share Posted January 6, 2010 I drilled holes in my rack. Actually, most of my racks have bonus holes in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coaster Posted January 6, 2010 Members Share Posted January 6, 2010 if you use a 3 space patch panel you can attach the box to that, otherwise use some short screws and screw it in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted January 7, 2010 Members Share Posted January 7, 2010 Silicone adhesive seems to keep them in place well enough for me . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted January 7, 2010 Members Share Posted January 7, 2010 Power distribution always lives inside the rack, firmly mounted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillESC Posted January 7, 2010 Members Share Posted January 7, 2010 Power distribution always lives inside the rack, firmly mounted. Agreed. A metal box flopping around in your roadcase might cause damage. Glue, screw or velcro the sucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flanc Posted January 7, 2010 Members Share Posted January 7, 2010 if you use a 3 space patch panel you can attach the box to that, otherwise use some short screws and screw it in the box. That's what I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted January 7, 2010 Members Share Posted January 7, 2010 That's what I do. Me too, I have several templates that allow 1, 2 or 3 boxes to be installed and on a tall rack it alows front mounting with the box(es) off the back of the panel and power cables route into the back at the bottom of the rack. Be sure to use flanged panels for strength and bond all metal parts to ground and the panel with locking hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Deke08 Posted January 7, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 7, 2010 Do you really need a 3 space? I looked at some vented panels a few days ago and thought a 2 space might work?Something like this....http://www.stayonline.com/detail.aspx?ID=1925 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coaster Posted January 7, 2010 Members Share Posted January 7, 2010 not enough height on a 2 space for a standard quad. 2 duplexes would work though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 Do you really need a 3 space? I looked at some vented panels a few days ago and thought a 2 space might work?Something like this....http://www.stayonline.com/detail.aspx?ID=1925 Yes, 3 space is necessary. A standard qaud box is 4" x 4", a flanged 2 space rack panel is about 3-3/8" high inside the flanges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TimmyP Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 link removed by moderator How does that help the OP? He's looking at plugging in power amps, has nothing to do with Powercons Also, it should be noted that the PowerCon panel that's shown is illegal as hell. It's missing the most essential of all items... the ground bond to the panel itself, and you must bond each and every source that's on an independant plug device. That means 4 bonds forthe 4 seperate circuits. As shown, it's illegal and potentially unsafe. Also, the plastic box is totally illegal... it's not listed for anything remotely like this application, as well as having been modified with connectors not listed for this application. Those connectors must be bonded to ground as well in order to be legal (aside from violating the existing listing of the box). IMO, you really ought to take that page down before somebody hurts themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillESC Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 Raxxess has a modular rack panel system that can take care of your PD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted January 8, 2010 CMS Author Share Posted January 8, 2010 How does that help the OP? He's looking at plugging in power amps, has nothing to do with PowerconsAlso, it should be noted that the PowerCon panel that's shown is illegal as hell. It's missing the most essential of all items... the ground bond to the panel itself, and you must bond each and every source that's on an independant plug device. That means 4 bonds forthe 4 seperate circuits. As shown, it's illegal and potentially unsafe. Also, the plastic box is totally illegal... it's not listed for anything remotely like this application, as well as having been modified with connectors not listed for this application. Those connectors must be bonded to ground as well in order to be legal (aside from violating the existing listing of the box).IMO, you really ought to take that page down before somebody hurts themselves. I've had enough of trying to persuade TimmyP to stop posting links to his site with the kludged-up messes of "poor-man's" distro's etc. From this point on I'm removing those links, and I'll warn him personally via PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 Raxxess has a modular rack panel system that can take care of your PD. Bill, verify that the products contain a UL listing or recognition for this application. This may have changed, but there was no listing when I checked a while back. The system must include a UL listed backbox with adequate cubic volume and markings to meet the NEC box fill requirements, as well as the materials and thickness must be suitable for carrying the ground bond through all parts. The rail system without a backbox does not meet this criteria and I do not think the material thickness meets the standard, though the listing process will testthe particular application for a listing as an intended use. Most 4-sq boxes are designed to carry a fault current of 50 amps minumum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TimmyP Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 I do not recall any previous posts that one would have considered an effort to dissuade me from posting about my 'ohmbru AC' widgets. Perhaps I missed them. In a response to Craig's firm yet cordial and professional PM, I have agreed to cease posting about such gadgets. I've had enough of trying to persuade TimmyP to stop posting links to his site with the kludged-up messes of "poor-man's" distro's etc. From this point on I'm removing those links, and I'll warn him personally via PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 Yes, you must have missed all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dogoth Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 I drilled holes in my rack. Actually, most of my racks have bonus holes in them. :D If I can, I use a rear rail rack mounted AC distro (several companies make them), otherwise I use short screws and mount the quad inside the rack. I try to put it into the bottom (you can use longer screws for mounting integrity) but placement depends on the depth of your rack & the depth of the devices in it. I try to put the heaviest amps on the bottom (this takes prescidence over where I'll put the AC). Keep in mind that if there's enough amps, you may well need more than 1 20A AC feed to it (those are the racks that are so much fun to move ). I'm not sure I'd trust velcro to secure the AC (if it came loose though it probably wouldn't be a giant issue). The silicon glue would work fine but if you ever want to move it's placement, you'll tear half of the plywood off removing the box. Screws work great. my .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coaster Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 so wait a minute, if you have say a l5-20 flanged inlet in a 3 space panel wired to a quad mounted on the panel, do you need to bond BOTH the box and the panel or just the box? what if the panel itself is not metal? i'm just curious is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted January 8, 2010 CMS Author Share Posted January 8, 2010 so wait a minute, if you have say a l5-20 flanged inlet in a 3 space panel wired to a quad mounted on the panel, do you need to bond BOTH the box and the panel or just the box?what if the panel itself is not metal?i'm just curious is all. All metal components that enclose a receptacle have to be bonded to ground. The quad box should have provision (a boss for a green screw, for instance) for this via a ground wire tail, or you can use receptacles that have a bonding yoke (the yoke screws are NOT sufficient if it's not that type of recep). Note Andy's second to last post; the components used must be UL listed for the intended use, and assembled according to manufacturer instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coaster Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 i dont know any blank panels that are UL listed(?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Chinese Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 Me too, I have several templates that allow 1, 2 or 3 boxes to be installed and on a tall rack it alows front mounting with the box(es) off the back of the panel and power cables route into the back at the bottom of the rack. Be sure to use flanged panels for strength and bond all metal parts to ground and the panel with locking hardware. Can you take a pic? I'd love to see this. I'm more visual T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillESC Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 You can mount a standard back box to the Raxxess modular receptical plates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 You can mount a standard back box to the Raxxess modular receptical plates. Do the screwholes match a 4sq? IIRC, they use a completely dfifferent mounting setup. I'll have to double-check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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