Members JIM683 Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 Audix D6 or Shure Beta 52 I have both and they fit into the budget. For your style I think the D6 might work better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soul-x Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 That's what an AKG D112 sounds like -- pretty much exactly like your signature. Audix D6 may also be a good choice. Or for an even more genre-compliant choice, An Alesis D/DM-series module paired with any of your cheap mics would give you the exact sound you are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rezrover Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 I use a Shure Beta 52, got it used for about $100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soul-x Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 Lol, soul, the last thing I want is the kick drum to go "womp womp". That's what I consider to be the "dance beat style" sound. I agree that it is not what I would want a kick drum to sound like (not a fan of the D112). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flanc Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 Audix d6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KF650SB1000 Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 Take a pick:Audix D6AKG D112Shure Beta52 Each mic has its up and downs. Can you demo the mics for a couple of shows? We tend to grab the Audix D6 for rock to heavy metal bands and the Beta52 for mellower acts (Country and/or Jazz). We have an D112, but that gets tossed on the Bass Guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rezrover Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 What are you using for a PA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mogwix Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 But am I going to get a REAL difference by buying say the Audix D6 over the PG56 or the BLUE Kickball? Short answer: yes. Long answer: yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KF650SB1000 Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 I like a kick that hits you in the stomach. Even though I'm a huge fan of punk music, I can't stand that sometimes you can't tell the difference between the snare and the kick! I think I just mean I like it to pound into your chest and be OBVIOUS that its a kick drum! Make sure your Mids (75-250Hz) are up to the task... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unalaska Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 True, low mids need to be up to it. The system has the potential, try a few mics out. EV ND868Beta52D6D112 (not a big fan of)ATM25 Weird thing is they all run about $200 new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members witesol Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 there's nothing wrong with a kickball, or d112. if you can't make it sound good it's not the mic's fault. Granted there may be some better, or different choices that might mate up with your system, ear or drums in a way you find more pleasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members qcb79 Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 you can put the best mic in the world in the kick and if you dont know how to work with the eq and tuning, it'll still sound like ass. I sent you a pm for some other forums to check out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soul-x Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 See I have this problem a lot. I can't describe the timbre of sounds that I like, which sucks. I like a kick that hits you in the stomach. Even though I'm a huge fan of punk music, I can't stand that sometimes you can't tell the difference between the snare and the kick! Well for a big modern rock-style thump, I like the D6. For a more natural reproduction of the actual kick drum sound I like the ATM25/250. For womp-womp, the D112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soul-x Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 I happen to have a free EQ input in a DBX 31 channel that I'm not using. Should I use it for the kick? Your channel strips willl do the job well. They are nice -- dual sweep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JIM683 Posted January 26, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 D6 vs PG56, huge difference, I have used both of these on the same bass drum. The D6 has a lot much punch, can take more spl, and just plain sounded better. This was on a 20" bass drum with no muffling and I loved the D6 sound on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mogwix Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 Mog, just to be clear on your short and long answers... am I going to get a better difference? Or just a difference? : It'll be a noticeable improvement. You should see my EQ's when using the PG52, 12dB cuts and boosts... not pretty. I'm not certain about your experience with EQ, but here's a frequency guide for most kick drums: 80Hz "Punch" (I leave this flat. pg52 is +3dB)100-200Hz "Woof" (I'll cut 6dB at around 200 or 250Hz, pg52 is -12dB here)200-300Hz "Boom" 500Hz - 1.2 kHz "Paper" (flat, usually. with the pg52 I cut like 12dB here)2kHz - 6kHz "Click" (boost 3-6dB, depending on how much click I want) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members qcb79 Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 Thanks GCB... sometimes I hate even typing what I'm thinking because I'm afraid I'm going to be slapped with some pro pwnage. dont worry about it, I dont know jack about live sound but I'm learning. Just ask your question as best you can and people will try and help you. the only time you'll get pwnage is when you cop an attitude. there was a guy on here doing just that, couldnt tell him anything he knew it all. people here have helped me a great deal and I totally appreciate and heed the advice I'm given, some of these guys have been doing nothing but live sound and engineering for decades so they know what they're talking about BTW- it's QCB. as in Quad Cam Bastard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soul-x Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 there was a guy on here doing just that, couldnt tell him anything he knew it all. Agreed -- Craig, just don't be that guy and you'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwlussow Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 Against popular belief, the "chest thump" does not come from the low end. I believe it is actually "felt" around 120. Others here will know better. WMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaddyDiesel Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 My personal love is the Beta 52. I have used it for a while and if you have a full range system its pretty versatile depending how you EQ it. Everything from the womp to an acoustic tone. But thats me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mogwix Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 Since I bought the mixer... those sweepable eqs... are those like when you pull down one band and the rest around that band sort of follow it? EQ "sweep" means you can change the central frequency at which you're cutting or boosting. Set the frequency you want to adjust and then set how much you want to boost or cut that frequency. What you're getting at is Q width. Higher Q means that you're affecting less of the frequencies around the one you're adjusting, lower Q means you're affecting more of the nearby frequencies. You'd need a parametric EQ to change that, though. The Q width in most all live sound boards is fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soul-x Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 And here I go with another thing I don't really want to type "out loud". Since I bought the mixer... those sweepable eqs... are those like when you pull down one band and the rest around that band sort of follow it? Yes. But it depends on the "Q" (width) of the band. A high Q curve makes very narrow cuts, while a lower Q will be wider and gentler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted January 26, 2010 CMS Author Share Posted January 26, 2010 Word. I shall remain humble. That will serve you well for the rest of your life. we all started knowing nothing, and all have plenty more to learn. That's what makes it fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soul-x Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 Sorry, but I'm still not clear on the EQ thing. Does that mean that on the mixwiz I can: use the top knob to select the frequency I want, and the knob below that to boost/cut it? Or am I way off? Nope. That's it. Have you spent any quality time with your manual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soul-x Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 I did, I read it front to back, but the explanations they give seem to be for pros not noobs. Perhaps you might look through a Mackie mixer manual, just as a reference (ignoring the routing and model-specific feature descriptions) -- They are written in a manner that is generally pretty friendly and entertaining to newer users: http://www.mackie.com/products/1604vlz3/pdf/1604VLZ3_OM.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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