Members 1tribe Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 Wow, really sad news for us JBL fans and users. http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/t/53591/0/ http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=27692 I was suprised to see a "made in Mexico" on a VRX918SP a month or so back vs the usually USA sticker thats on my SRX subs. EAW really felt the pain from this move... so, will JBL suffer the same fate? Would you guys care if your SRX/VRX, Venue or Vertec said "made in China"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members allexcosta Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 Sometimes the quality suffers, sometimes it doesn't. Only time will tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 For me, it's sad to see quality legacy brands move their production away from the U.S. (or wherever their native country was) to anywhere where cost of production is the dominating factor. That said, it doesn't automaticly mean that the quality will be poor. In fact, it may be just as good. It's the history of the brand and the institutional history of production memory that will suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members allexcosta Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 That said, it doesn't automaticly mean that the quality will be poor. In fact, it may be just as good. It's the history of the brand and the institutional history of production memory that will suffer. At least in JBL's case it won't be that bad after USA, Canada and Mexico become unified... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gspointer Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 If they don't drop prices significantly for chinese manufactured goods, I will have to find a different company to buy from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dcastar Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 If they don't drop prices significantly for chinese manufactured goods, I will have to find a different company to buy from. http://www.QSCaudio.com You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1tribe Posted February 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 For me, it's sad to see quality legacy brands move their production away from the U.S. (or wherever their native country was) to anywhere where cost of production is the dominating factor. That said, it doesn't automaticly mean that the quality will be poor. In fact, it may be just as good. It's the history of the brand and the institutional history of production memory that will suffer. So true Andy. I also agree that quality can still be had if the outsourcing if done correctly. Ive been around the highend cycling community for quite a few years and remember when "made in Taiwan" ment pure junk. Not the case anymore, some facilities have modern top notch equipment and some of the higher end products have just as good welds as I seen made here in Cal. The prices didnt always reflect the move, some just didnt raise so I guess that may have been the difference. I have a few Chinese audio components that are very solid like the RMX amps and to date I havent heard of any complaints with any of the Allen&Heath Chinese made mixers. All an all its just sad to hear this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members W. M. Hellinger Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 At least in JBL's case it won't be that bad after USA, Canada and Mexico become unified... I thought that happened like 10 years ago. We're all one happy family, right? It's just that the US truckers haven't gotten around to driving around in Canada and Mexico equally to the other flow yet, right? But it's coming around, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members allexcosta Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 I thought that happened like 10 years ago.We're all one happy family, right? It's just that the US truckers haven't gotten around to driving around in Canada and Mexico equally to the other flow yet, right? But it's coming around, right? I mean truly unified. One currency and no borders... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillESC Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 Look at the bright side. JBL and Mackie can now compete on an even footing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coaster Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 I mean truly unified. One currency and no borders... this may be the start of a new internal war. "they" (wink wink, we know who you are) fooled EU into this, maybe, just maybe we might be smarter. probably not. i am though, i wont stand for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mogwix Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 We're all one happy family, right? It's just that the US truckers haven't gotten around to driving around in Canada and Mexico equally to the other flow yet, right? But it's coming around, right? Well, as a Canadian, getting {censored} across the border is a huge hassle. Whenever I buy something from the states and try to bring it back, I have to claim it at the border, stand outside while border patrol searches my car (with three other border guards looking at me with their hands on their guns), then go inside and fill out forms and {censored}, pay the canadian taxes plus whatever other duty fees that have for various goods, wait for some other {censored}, then finally be on my way. When I buy online and have it shipped, I'm getting slapped with duty fees and other fees from the postal service and whatnot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members davidplasti-k Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 Well to me personally this thing sucks. Wether we like it or not, chinese live sound equipments dont have the same reputation. Well I guess that is one of the reasons I want to change my JBL s to EV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members allexcosta Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 Well to me personally this thing sucks. Wether we like it or not, chinese live sound equipments dont have the same reputation. Well I guess that is one of the reasons I want to change my JBL s to EV. Today's China is yesterday's Japan. I wonder how you're gonna feel when EV makes the move as well... Things are changing rapidly. Lakland Skyline basses are Indonesian and quality is top notch. Chinese Gallien Krueger is also very good and reliable. Most of Genz Benz stuff is made in Taiwan. Also, very high quality. It's not "Where it's made", but "How it's made." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted February 9, 2010 CMS Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 It's not "Where it's made", but "How it's made." Really? Who's going to buy these imported goods? Unemployment is currently well over 10% (it's more like 18-20% if you count people who no longer receive unemployment benefits and therefore aren't included in unemployment statistics) and there's no sign of long-term improvement. Everyone figured tech jobs would compensate for lost manufacturing. "Get educated". Okay. Well, now the tech jobs are offshored to a greater extent than mfg. jobs. What's left? Services? Yeah, JBL will be selling a lot of VRX to people in services jobs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members davidplasti-k Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 Today's China is yesterday's Japan. I wonder how you're gonna feel when EV makes the move as well... Things are changing rapidly. Lakland Skyline basses are Indonesian and quality is top notch. Chinese Gallien Krueger is also very good and reliable. Most of Genz Benz stuff is made in Taiwan. Also, very high quality.It's not "Where it's made", but "How it's made." We both know that. Even my A&H is made in China and has excellent quality. But still today chinesse technology doesn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members srp72ee Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 I see so much manufacturing closing up shop in the US that I wonder if anything will be left for my kids. We manufacture products (here at my day job) and export to 29 countries currently. Where will we be in 5 years, 15 years, or 25 years? My personal opinion is we've hit the iceberg, started filling with water and the bow is almost under water. Unfortunately there are not enough life boats for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members allexcosta Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 I see so much manufacturing closing up shop in the US that I wonder if anything will be left for my kids. We manufacture products (here at my day job) and export to 29 countries currently. Where will we be in 5 years, 15 years, or 25 years?My personal opinion is we've hit the iceberg, started filling with water and the bow is almost under water. Unfortunately there are not enough life boats for everyone. You may start thinking about switching production to military stuff. Machine guns, ammo, lasers, radar components and stuff like that... WWIII is coming... Or maybe consider moving to another country... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members davidplasti-k Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 Honestly? Not much you (or anyone) can do... A company like JBL doesn't live exclusively from the US market. Cutting costs in labor allows them to compete for growing markets, such as South Africa, India, Brazil and others... Well in Colombia (where I live) Chinesse people is taking away jobs from colombian engineers because companies prefer to send designs to China so they do it and send it back to my country because it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dboomer Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 Funny thing ... y'all think this is new:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members davidplasti-k Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 I wonder if Porsche or Ferrari will also be made in China in aclose future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members allexcosta Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 Well in Colombia (where I live) Chinesse people is taking away jobs from colombian engineers because companies prefer to send designs to China so they do it and send it back to my country because it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members davidplasti-k Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 Ever heard of "capitalism"? My point is not to debate if China is socialist in politics and capitalist economically cause Germany is also capitalist. I just think that I trust more the german or american way to do technology. As I said take cars for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Chinese Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 this is nothign more than the Wal-Mart-ization of the world. We have no one to blame but ourselves, if we really want to point any fingers. Most of us have foreign import something or other- It's often less expensive or in some cases better than the local alternative. Many of us have 2-3 TV's etc. So none of this is surprising. You can't keep lowering prices without lowering labor & manufacturing costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members allexcosta Posted February 9, 2010 Members Share Posted February 9, 2010 My point is not to debate if China is socialist in politics and capitalist economically cause Germany is also capitalist. I just think that I trust more the german or american way to do technology. As I said take cars for instance. Not my point... In capitalism you minimize costs to maximize profit. These companies aren't doing anything different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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