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So i've been trying to get a little bit more serious with my band lately, and we've been looking for some recording equipment and a PA system. Well, with our luck, we were able to score a JBL mixer that's not used anymore from my more, it's and Eon MusicMix 10, as shown here(http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12883456). Now that we're started I was hoping you guys could reccomend me some recording mics, at the freaking most dirt cheap price for value you can think of. and Some reccomendations for power amps, (the mixer isn't powered) and some live speakers. Also, two questions,

1.) Do you think it would be better to get powered speakers instead of a power amp and passives?

2.) Do you necesarrily need a powered amp to record things? sorry, i'm new to this.

Thanks guys.

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1.) Do you think it would be better to get powered speakers instead of a power amp and passives?

2.) Do you necesarrily need a powered amp to record things? sorry, i'm new to this.

Thanks guys.

 

 

Good powered speakers are best. They are easier to move, set up and tear down. They also offer the proper power for the component and are usually bi or tri amped. No rack to carry around with crossovers and amps. It

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Okay, we've got some amps, so no need to worry much about that haha. Thanks for the advice. But what i'm seeing is we could get a pretty weak powered speaker in our budget, but for not so much more, you could get a fairly powerful power amp and speakers. So i'm kind of torn on that one. What doesn't help much is i'm not sure about what wattage equates to volume. If it's similar to guitar amps, then 200 should be plenty, but I don't know. Do you or any of you guys have specific suggestions?

if you are going passive, what power amps do you have to use with the mixer and speakers? Then try and match your speakers to whichever amp you are planning to use. Volume depends on wattage and efficiency of the speakers, among other smaller things.

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if you are going passive, what power amps do you have to use with the mixer and speakers? Then try and match your speakers to whichever amp you are planning to use. Volume depends on wattage and efficiency of the speakers, among other smaller things.

 

Nah, i didn't mean we had power amps, i mean we had guitar amps so that we wouldn't have to run directly into the board. I'm looking for cheap power amp suggestions though...

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For inexpensive power amps, check out used QSC RMX series.

For inexpensive speakers, check out the Yamaha club series, such as the SM12;s or SM15's.

Speaker efficiency has more effect on volume than watts - and no, a 200 watt PA will NOT keep up with a 200 watt guitar amp.

For powered speakers - the JBL PRX series are well thought of.

For mics, the Shure SM57 for instruments and SM58 for vocals are a good start.

Anything less, and I think you'll be disappointed with the sound quality.

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Thanks for the input guys. But you have to understand, we're teenagers in highschool on a shoestring budget. Four hundred, MAYBE five hundred dollars. At this point i'm much more concerned about being heard; professional quality is obviously out of our range for the moment. For now we'll only be using the speakers for vocals. I ask that you please don't scoff at our equivilent to 3 cents in the music world.

Anybody have experience with Kustom speakers? http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Kustom-KPC15-Phonic-MAX-1000-Speaker-and-Amp-Package?sku=584990

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We are still going to suggest better quality gear even if you put your system together piece by piece. You can get a system for your budget but it will not be good. In fact, you will probably hate it from the get go.

 

Look into older EON15G2s. You might be able to score a pair for very close to your budget. They are powered and are very loud. That would be where I would start.

 

Try to avoid those cheap systems on MF or GC. They really are not very good at all. Check eBay and Craigslist. You will be much happier.

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Thanks for the input guys. But you have to understand, we're teenagers in highschool on a shoestring budget. Four hundred, MAYBE five hundred dollars. At this point i'm much more concerned about being heard; professional quality is obviously out of our range for the moment. For now we'll only be using the speakers for vocals. I ask that you please don't scoff at our equivilent to 3 cents in the music world.

Anybody have experience with Kustom speakers?

definitely not. Go used and you can move up to something usable. And I'm sure that mixer will do fine, at leat for now.

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Thanks for the input guys. But you have to understand, we're teenagers in highschool on a shoestring budget. Four hundred, MAYBE five hundred dollars. At this point i'm much more concerned about being heard; professional quality is obviously out of our range for the moment. For now we'll only be using the speakers for vocals. I ask that you please don't scoff at our equivilent to 3 cents in the music world.

Anybody have experience with Kustom speakers?

 

 

what is your location?

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Speaker efficiency has more effect on volume than watts - and no, a 200 watt PA will NOT keep up with a 200 watt guitar amp.

 

I'd like to add some specifics on this subject based on my experience:

 

One very rough rule of thumb could be to suggest your PA wattage should be sized somewhere in the ballpark of 10 times your guitar amp wattage. IOW: If you're running a 50 watt guitar amp, then 500 watts of PA power might be somewhat of a suitable match. If you're running 200 watts of guitar amp(s), then 2000 watts of PA (doing vocals only) might stand a chance of keeping up... if your band dynamics are good.

 

The weekend warrior band I play in runs 50 watts of lead instrument amps, approx. 250 watts of bass instrument amp (no bass instrument through the PA), just enough kick drum & snare through the PA for "presence"... we typically run approx. 2000 watts of FOH PA power (EAW system). We have to watch our dynamics very closely as the instruments can totally bury the vocal capacity of our FOH PA system. So in our case, we run approx. 40 times the PA wattage (not counting monitors) as lead instrument wattage. Of-course, if the instruments are loud enough to bury the FOH PA, then we

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Thanks for the input guys. But you have to understand, we're teenagers in highschool on a shoestring budget. Four hundred, MAYBE five hundred dollars. At this point i'm much more concerned about being heard; professional quality is obviously out of our range for the moment. For now we'll only be using the speakers for vocals. I ask that you please don't scoff at our equivilent to 3 cents in the music world.

Anybody have experience with Kustom speakers?

 

 

You can spend $4-500 on mics, cables, & stands pretty easily.

 

I'd start with a mixer & mics & build outward from there in stages. Monitor yourselves with headphones while you learn your stuff.

 

When you're ready for others to hear you, powered speakers have some key advantage over passive: Power amp & speaker are matched for each other, for one. For another, it's easy to scale upwards by adding more units as you need them.

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You can spend $4-500 on mics, cables, & stands pretty easily.


I'd start with a mixer & mics & build outward from there in stages. Monitor yourselves with headphones while you learn your stuff.


When you're ready for others to hear you, powered speakers have some key advantage over passive: Power amp & speaker are matched for each other, for one. For another, it's easy to scale upwards by adding more units as you need them.

Yeah, it does seem pretty easy to spend a lot and get a little in this neck of the woods. Thanks for the opinion. I've been pondering getting powered speakers, and simply using them as moniters as the band grows and more cash becomes available.

I also have a question regarding speakers,

All of the passive speaker I look at generally have a RMS power rating, maybe a program power rating, and a peak power rating. I'm assuming peak is the max ammount of watts you want to run into the speaker, but does someone wanna school me on this?

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Yeah, it does seem pretty easy to spend a lot and get a little in this neck of the woods. Thanks for the opinion. I've been pondering getting powered speakers, and simply using them as moniters as the band grows and more cash becomes available.

I also have a question regarding speakers,

All of the passive speaker I look at generally have a RMS power rating, maybe a program power rating, and a peak power rating. I'm assuming peak is the max ammount of watts you want to run into the speaker, but does someone wanna school me on this?

as long as you are speaking of models/brands with fairly honest ratings, stay in the RMS or maybe a hair higher range.

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