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    Hi all. I'm building my first PA system for a solo piano / vocal act. I spent a while at the local music store yesterday, where the live sound guys recommended an A&H ZED 10fx mixer and a pair of either QSC K8 or EV ELV112P active speakers. I probably won't be playing anywhere bigger than a typical sit-down restaurant to start. Does that sound like a good setup for my needs? I'm not on a budget strictly speaking, but I'd like to keep it below $2000.



    One of the sound guys said the K8 is on par sonically with the ELV112P despite being smaller. They weren't set up to do a proper A-B test (they're moving everything around), so I couldn't hear them side by side. Can anyone speak to whether that's true?

  • #2
    I would wait for guys like Andy or Axis to answer, but my first gut level response is that this would be an absolutely amazing little system for a single acoustic act, either the EV's or the QSC's. My only concern might be that the keyboard has nice, fat lows and perhaps the K12 would be a better choice for the reproduction of the wider spectrum than would the K8?

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    • #3
      Is the piano going to go through the PA? Will it typically be a real piano, electric piano, or keyboards on a piano setting?

      Not sure if that last question would really change my answer much.

      My initial thought is use the K8 but also get a QSC subwoofer to go with it. If you can, AB with and without a sub and that might sell it to you. Depending on how wide a coverage you need and also it affects your budget I would get 1 speaker + 1 sub rather than 2 speakers and no sub. (2 speakers and 1 sub is what I would recommend if the budget allows.) Let your ears be the judge on that.

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      • #4
        I'd opt for a pair of of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/RCF-ART-312A...item3f1d8f31c3 and don't get hung up on the wattage thing they have very effeicent drivers so don't need a huge amount of power for volume. By time you add stands, cables, and a mixer such as the Zed will keep you in the $2k budget.

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        • #5
          It will be a stage piano plugged directly into the mixer.



          I had a similar concern about the K8 being too small, especially with how much time I tend to spend in the low end of the keyboard. One of the sales guys was pushing more towards the ELV112P for what he said was better sounding vocals, which would put me up to 12" anyway.



          Subwoofers were discussed with the sales guys. They didn't think I'd need one with either of those speakers, but I'll look into it further when I go back tomorrow.

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          • #6
            If you spend a lot of time on the low end of the key board, you should consider some 15" Or two 12" cabs. You could get by without subs.

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            • #7
              Love your mixer choice, and have one myself. ~$300.00

              Microphone - EV ND767a - ~$120.00

              Speaker - Yamaha DXR15 ~$800.00



              Both the K8 and the ELX112p are going to lack on the bottom for your keys. A single DXR15 will easily put out as much sound (likely more) than a pair of K8's, or ELX112p's (same for the earlier mentioned RCF312a which is also a great speaker, but not enough bottom for your application).



              You can audition all the speakers mentioned here (except the RCF) at your local guitar center. You might even be able to get them to pull a keyboard in for you to see first hand how the speaker performs.



              I think you will be impressed.
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              • #8
                A music store where the dudes recommend decent gear?!?



                Some might quibble over the exact choices, but a Zed mixer and K-series is a very solid system. And QSC has a truly badass warranty to boot. The Yamaha DXR, as suggested by OneEng, is a good choice as well. I'd personally recommend buying from that same store, from the same dudes. Reward good behavior, basically. Too many stores recommend all kinds of useless crap.
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                • #9
                  K8s are amazing speakers for their size, but personally I'd play it safe and bump up to the K10 - which are only $50 apiece more and still weigh in at a very manageable 30 pounds each. I'm a keyboard player myself. Those are very nice keyboard speakers.



                  I have no experience with EV's Live X series but I believe that QSC's K series would be considered by most to be a step up from that.



                  Dissenters are welcome to disagree

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                  • #10
                    Might also consider checking out the EV ZX1 and ZX1A combo rig since it can be linked with a pair of tops and small sub for portable satellite rig.

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                    • #11
                      I have Yorkville NX 550P (powered speakers - 12" woofers with a horn). They are probably "similiar" to the 12" powered EV speakers that you mentioned. Two of those - with a small mixer - would indeed be a nice set up for a solo artist - keyboards and vocals. It would be great. I also have one EV SAX 100 - which is a 12" + horn - powered speaker - and frankly - I do like the Yorkvilles "better" - but really - the EV is also "fine".



                      I will say that you will get "plenty" of "low end" out of a good quality powered 12" speaker. I would say that a Sub Woofer will not be required - and frankly I think the 12" will be better than a 15" - although - there are (of course) several very good powered 15" speakers.



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                      • #12






                        Quote Originally Posted by ChiroVette
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                        I would wait for guys like Andy or Axis to answer, but my first gut level response is that this would be an absolutely amazing little system for a single acoustic act, either the EV's or the QSC's. My only concern might be that the keyboard has nice, fat lows and perhaps the K12 would be a better choice for the reproduction of the wider spectrum than would the K8?




                        The Guitar Centers out here all seem to be using the K10s for demos of pianos. They sound great with the real piano sounds.

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                        • #13
                          I thought the K10s did well when used with a keyboard and/or a guitar vocalist.



                          I would only suggest to think down the road. Are you going to use this stuff for a long time? Are you interested in using the gear outside of a solo act? Will (could) there come a point where you will need more channels on your mixer? Will you want direct outs for each channel at some point? Will you want more auxes? Just food for thought. The USB in/out on the zed series is great.

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                          • #14






                            Quote Originally Posted by mrcpro
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                            K8s are amazing speakers for their size, but personally I'd play it safe and bump up to the K10 - which are only $50 apiece more and still weigh in at a very manageable 30 pounds each. I'm a keyboard player myself. Those are very nice keyboard speakers.



                            I have no experience with EV's Live X series but I believe that QSC's K series would be considered by most to be a step up from that.



                            Dissenters are welcome to disagree




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                            • #15
                              Besides dabbling in sound and playing in bands, I've also played for years as a solo guitarist and in a duo with a variety of keyboard players, I think you're headed ni the right direction PA wise. I would probably suggest bumping up a size to the K10's or similar but depending on make and model (and needs) 12"s might be okay as long as they weren't physically too big. Many of the places I play are hotel lounges, and the sight of larger speakers tends to make management and/or patrons think you're louder than you actually are.



                              As to bottom end - I've found that for lounge and restaurant piano or similar, big low end is not neccessary or even desirable. If and when it does become an issue, add a small sub like this one http://www.yorkville.com/products.as...cat=58&type=29



                              And I would suggest getting two smaller (10", or perhaps 12") powered speakers instead of one large one. It's nice to have the option of using two speakers when coverage becomes an issue, and it's nice to have redundancy in case a speaker goes down - and that has happened to me.

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