Members zzzxtreme Posted November 28, 2012 Members Share Posted November 28, 2012 hi guys, in my studio (about 12'x11' room) I use one behringer B1220DSP, high on a speaker stand, they sound good in mid volume. but in a loud band, not very clear even at high volume. I put up enough acoustic panels, so it only gets feedback at ridiculous volume. I wonder If I should get another 12" active speaker ? (Wharferdale Titan12D active comes to mind) . Or will a sub do the trick ? any advice greatly appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dogoth Posted November 28, 2012 Members Share Posted November 28, 2012 Ditch the Behringer and replace it with a better speaker. A sub has nothing to do with vocal clairity and will probably make it worse. As a rule I high pass most everything except kick, bass (and maybe floor tom) at 100 hz or higher. Possibly too much low end is eating up the few real watts you have. Just a little bottom on stage goes a long way. Too much just turns to mud. just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rbts Posted November 28, 2012 Members Share Posted November 28, 2012 Turn Down The Volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pro Sound Guy Posted November 28, 2012 Members Share Posted November 28, 2012 Originally Posted by zzzxtreme hi guys, in my studio (about 12'x11' room) I use one behringer B1220DSP, high on a speaker stand, they sound good in mid volume. but in a loud band, not very clear even at high volume. I put up enough acoustic panels, so it only gets feedback at ridiculous volume. I wonder If I should get another 12" active speaker ? (Wharferdale Titan12D active comes to mind) . Or will a sub do the trick ? any advice greatly appreciated Have the band turn down so you can hear the vocal. Try a hypercardioid mic. Those are entry level loudspeakers you are running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TimmyP Posted December 3, 2012 Members Share Posted December 3, 2012 EQ out the woof from the proximity effect of the vocal mics - cut about 10dB centered about 200Hz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zzzxtreme Posted December 3, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 3, 2012 Thanks timmy for the tip!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 3, 2012 Members Share Posted December 3, 2012 Originally Posted by TimmyP EQ out the woof from the proximity effect of the vocal mics - cut about 10dB centered about 200Hz. Oh yeah sure, that's what I would do You have no idea what mic he is using, of if proximity effect is the cause. -10dB at 200Hz is, frankly, rediculous at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 3, 2012 Members Share Posted December 3, 2012 Originally Posted by zzzxtreme Thanks timmy for the tip!!! If that sounds like a good idea, perhaps you would like to buy a bridge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sibyrnes Posted December 3, 2012 Members Share Posted December 3, 2012 I use one behringer B1220DSP That's your problem! JBL, EV, Yamaha, QSC, etc. all make some nice powered 12" speakers that will make your vocals sound a lot better without breaking the bank. With the right equipment you should need very little or no EQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonthomas Posted December 3, 2012 Members Share Posted December 3, 2012 A bit of eq and getting the monitor behind the mic and away from any reflective surfaces might help. A small room and high volume is just going to feed back at some point, whatever speakers you use, the room will resonate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vangkm Posted December 3, 2012 Members Share Posted December 3, 2012 Originally Posted by sibyrnes That's your problem! JBL, EV, Yamaha, QSC, etc. all make some nice powered 12" speakers that will make your vocals sound a lot better without breaking the bank. With the right equipment you should need very little or no EQ. He's in Kuala Lumpur, IDK what the availability of those brands are there but I bet it's all very expensive.I had the same issue and I tried a different mic, almost instantly it was a lot closer to the sound I wanted. I went from a Shure SM58 to a Sennheiser e935. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 3, 2012 Members Share Posted December 3, 2012 We don't even know if he is using a brand name mic of some asian counterfeit piece of junk that might be responsible for the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crownman Posted December 3, 2012 Members Share Posted December 3, 2012 The other thing I'd like to know is how he is positioned in realation to the band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members srp72ee Posted December 3, 2012 Members Share Posted December 3, 2012 Actually the entire signal path would help. Mic - Make and Model... Mixer - Make and Model... Any vocal effects plug in's or inserts into the signal chain... Main EQ or DSP if any... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zzzxtreme Posted December 3, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 3, 2012 Thanks all!!! I shall draw something later. Greatly appreciated!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rbts Posted December 4, 2012 Members Share Posted December 4, 2012 Just turn down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 4, 2012 Members Share Posted December 4, 2012 Originally Posted by Rbts Just turn down! Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zzzxtreme Posted December 4, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 4, 2012 thanks rbts. most bands are fine, just "some" extreme metal band has super loud drummer, those are not my priority.but I just bought one cheap samson D412 as backup, need your guys input on whether placing it on a stand would be helpful? and where should I put it ?I really wanted to get a Yamaha DXR12 but only available march next year here. I'm 90% sure to get that too. Friend works for yamaha, so his staff price is about the same as US retail price.Mic is Audix OM5, Mixer is Yammy MG124CX. I do have a roland preamp I could use, which has 3 band EQ with adjustable frequency if the need arises. This studio is just a hobby of mine, so I really know a lot of nothing :Here is it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 4, 2012 Members Share Posted December 4, 2012 One thing that stands out is that for a loud band where gain before feedback is a struggle, the reflections off of the hard surfaces might be your limiting factor. What I mean by this, is that the mic is picking up all the room noise bouncing off ot the wall behind the singer, as well and the continued reflections. I don't think the mic is the problem, and you have reached critical gain leadingto instability (feedback) One thing I would recommend is to do whatever you can to acoustically deaden the room. I can't tell if the floor is hard or carpet, but carpet will help, as would a heavy drape on or near the wall behind the singer. In fact the more dead the better for 2 reasons... the first to reduce the energy reflected back into the mic from the hard surfaces and second, to reduce the total amount of unwanted acoustic energy in the room which you are competing against with your vocals. Be sure the acoustic treatments are not flamable. I don't know what the fire safety codes are where you live, but even if they are not strict, I would hate to see anything go bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zzzxtreme Posted December 4, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 4, 2012 thanks agedhorse, the panels are made of "fire resistant rockwool", I'll add more. the floors are carpeted, all walls are made of drywall except one. do you think the positioning of the speaker could be a factor too ? or maybe put the samson (you could see it on the floor in the first pic) on a speaker stand and put at another corner ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 4, 2012 Members Share Posted December 4, 2012 Try covering that back wall with acoustic material and see how that works. Also, turning down the band (ie. drummer and guitarist restraint) would also halp greatly. Often it's a combination of things that gets the best results. You know... 10% improvement her, andother 10% there and soon it's all ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rbts Posted December 4, 2012 Members Share Posted December 4, 2012 Agedhorse said "drummer restraint" - but of course in some situations - it is not permitted to use those two words in the same sentence. If the drummer is not able to play quieter - then no-one else will be able to play quieter either. Then you need a bigger room - and a bigger sound system - that's all. But don't worry - it's worth it - because nothing is more valuable than a really loud drummer!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rbts Posted December 4, 2012 Members Share Posted December 4, 2012 My advice remains the same - just turn down (if you can't turn down - then heck with it - turn it UP and LET IT ROLL!!!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members twostone Posted December 4, 2012 Members Share Posted December 4, 2012 mic everybody use headphone amp and cans I did this when I live in a apt complex for 4 years except used pods and a e-kit and acoustic panels on the neighbors side of wall in the spare apt bedroom and did a lot of metal sherdding. Which in your case you just mic everybody. Just food for thought for a work around from living in apt complex and never can have enough of room treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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