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    We're in desperate need of upgrading our old and underperforming mixer. We're looking at either the StudioLive 16.4.2 or the MixWiz 16.2.



    I have searched and read a few of the other threads here and gotten some decent info, but I still would really like everyone's opinion on this...pros and cons for each. Really, the only cons I can think of for the SL are the price (which is a big one at twice that of the MixWiz) and a possible learning curve.



    Currently we're using a PV14 (crap I know) along with (2) 4-channel compressor/gates, and an EQ for our monitor mix. This is all mounted in a Eurolite rack case



    http://www.guitarcenter.com/Eurolite...04-i1174204.gc



    which is bulky and annoying to carry because it's so top heavy. One criteria is that we really don't want to get any bigger with this rack...which right off the bat leans me toward the SL because I'm not even sure if the MixWiz will fit in here?? And if it does I can imagine it will be a real pain in the ass to plug channels in.



    To start with, am I correct that all we'd have to bring to setup is the SL itself and we'd be set? From what I gather it has all these compressors/gates/effects/etc all built in, which would make setup a breeze.



    I'd appreciate any advice on this...it's a big decision to make.
    Christian

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    Originally Posted by wheresgrant3


    Our singer is basically butchering the Grade A material into deli meat, but don't fear... the crowd is there for big sandwiches.

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    Don't know about the SL but a Mixwiz will not live happy in a 10 space rack. You might squeeze it in with a hammer, but if memory serves me correctly, they want 11-12 spaces. More if things stay plugged in. I think a SL might also need a bigger rack so be sure to check that.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Axisplayer
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      Don't know about the SL but a Mixwiz will not live happy in a 10 space rack. You might squeeze it in with a hammer, but if memory serves me correctly, they want 11-12 spaces. More if things stay plugged in. I think a SL might also need a bigger rack so be sure to check that.




      Yes that's what I was worried about. If we got the SL we'd probably get another case anyways, something much smaller than what we have that just fits the mixer comfortably. Since we won't have any of the outboard gear we'll be able to downsize there.



      If we went with the MixWiz, we'd probably end up with another case just for the mixer itself and a second smaller case for our outboard stuff. Unfortunately we don't have the space to get one large and heavy unit on wheels to hold everything.
      Christian

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      Originally Posted by wheresgrant3


      Our singer is basically butchering the Grade A material into deli meat, but don't fear... the crowd is there for big sandwiches.

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        Quote Originally Posted by guitarguy19
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        We're in desperate need of upgrading our old and underperforming mixer. We're looking at either the StudioLive 16.4.2 or the MixWiz 16.2.



        I have searched and read a few of the other threads here and gotten some decent info, but I still would really like everyone's opinion on this...pros and cons for each. Really, the only cons I can think of for the SL are the price (which is a big one at twice that of the MixWiz) and a possible learning curve.



        Currently we're using a PV14 (crap I know) along with (2) 4-channel compressor/gates, and an EQ for our monitor mix. This is all mounted in a Eurolite rack case



        http://www.guitarcenter.com/Eurolite...04-i1174204.gc



        which is bulky and annoying to carry because it's so top heavy. One criteria is that we really don't want to get any bigger with this rack...which right off the bat leans me toward the SL because I'm not even sure if the MixWiz will fit in here?? And if it does I can imagine it will be a real pain in the ass to plug channels in.



        To start with, am I correct that all we'd have to bring to setup is the SL itself and we'd be set? From what I gather it has all these compressors/gates/effects/etc all built in, which would make setup a breeze.



        I'd appreciate any advice on this...it's a big decision to make.




        I currently have the MixWiz. It is a great mixer period.



        Having said that, the instrument rack is currently my biggest and heaviest piece of gear having not only the mixwiz, but also the IEM send, power conditioner, ACP88 8 ch gate/compressor, graphic eq, TC Electronics M-OneXL and a CD player.



        The SL would eliminate the need for all that for me. That is pretty appealing since my back isn't getting any younger



        There are a couple of members on this board that went from a mixwiz to a SL. I am sure you will hear from them.
        With Greater Knowledge Comes Greater Understanding

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        • #5
          Yes, the SL will eliminate the need for outboard gear and give you more options and control than you ever dreamed of, and the the learning curve is very simple. About four months ago I made the switch from an A&H GL2200 to the SL and I will never go back! It has proved better and easier to use in every way!

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          • #6
            I own the Studiolive and mix on a Mixwizard at church and I think the Studiolive in longer than the Mixwiz. Both of these mixers sound good, I have no issues with either.



            My personal preference is towards the Studiolive, once I bought it, I sold all my other outboard gear (except my M-ONE XL). To me, the onboard fx is better and has more adjustable parameters. The learning curve is really easy, you should have no problems learning to operate the board. I also have it set up to record to my laptop and remote mix with my ipad, which is really nice if I am mixing a wedding band, etc



            Some people have had issues with their Studiolive and laptops, some laptops aren't compatible, but if this is not a high priority for you, should pose no issue.

            Some people's problems have happened only when connected to a computer. I have had no issues with this at all, I did my research and bought my laptop knowing it would work and have had no other issues.



            The MixWizard is a really good small format mixer and is durable, but I would pick my Studiolive over it most any day of the week.



            This is my opinion of the boards



            good luck on your choice, either should do you well,

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            • #7
              Have you considered the Mackie DL 1608? Lots of features, easy to setup and small footprint. This has taken the place of my Mix Wiz and outboard gear.

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              • #8
                So I just looked at both boards. The Mixwiz is a 10 RU mount. That is with nothing plugged into the board. If you stayed with this console, you could not leave the other gear plugged into the console. You would need a new rack to leave it hooked up. The SL is a 14 RU mount according to Presonus. Nothing needs to remain plugged in of course, but that is still a special rack to hold that console as most are not that deep.



                I love a MixWiz having started on one years ago. They are durable, sound good, and everyone can walk right up to it and feel at home in minutes. I don't have any love for the SL (not a secret around here) since it is limited as digital boards go, but the advantages of digital so outweigh analog that if these are your only two choices, I would go with the SL. Digital is that convenient. Buy whatever rack you need to fit your console of choice. Don't buy a console to fit the rack.

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                  Quote Originally Posted by Axisplayer
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                  The Mixwiz is a 10 RU mount.




                  If you're putting it in a slant rack with a 10 ru slant top (like this http://store.roadreadycases.com/dyn_...M16UW&k=154310 ) - you'll need to turn the connection "pod" under in order to put the rack cover on the top. It's neat and tidy - IF you "pre-wire" everything using patch panels. However, if you're planning to connect/disconnect cables to/from the MixWiz's connection "pod" at every gig - you'll want to rethink that design. Working with the connection "pod" in the under position isn't something you'll want to do every night!
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                  • #10
                    Your need or desire for a back-up mixer might figure into the decision. While the thought of any piece of gear failing at a gig is scary, I think it is worth the effort to decide what items are mission critical. Would a guitarist show up without spare strings, or a drummer without extra sticks?



                    I assume that you will hang on to your current mixer as a backup. If you go with the S/L and stop carrying your outboard gear, could you "get by" in a pinch with the old analog board (without any outboard gear)? If not, that might be a factor in favor of the MW3. (Of course, maybe you have room in your hauler to keep the outboard gear and old mixer stored there, and thus available at a moment's notice.)



                    Just another factor to consider. YMMV. Mark C.
                    "Good tools are expensive. Cheap tools are damned expensive."

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                    • #11






                      Quote Originally Posted by SpaceNorman
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                      If you're putting it in a slant rack with a 10 ru slant top (like this http://store.roadreadycases.com/dyn_...M16UW&k=154310 ) - you'll need to turn the connection "pod" under in order to put the rack cover on the top. It's neat and tidy - IF you "pre-wire" everything using patch panels. However, if you're planning to connect/disconnect cables to/from the MixWiz's connection "pod" at every gig - you'll want to rethink that design. Working with the connection "pod" in the under position isn't something you'll want to do every night!




                      Yeah...with that pod flipped under like you're talking about, getting to it to plug things in at each gig would be a nightmare. What exactly do you mean by patch panels...don't you at some point always have to plug in your snake to the pod? Is that something we could institute with the rack we currently have, or something of similar size?



                      Like I said before, one of our concerns is not getting any larger in terms of footprint with whatever we buy. We don't have a trailer and space is tight.
                      Christian

                      SpaceCat
                      www.spacecatband.com

                      "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix







                      Originally Posted by wheresgrant3


                      Our singer is basically butchering the Grade A material into deli meat, but don't fear... the crowd is there for big sandwiches.

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                      • #12
                        I just installed another MixWiz in an in-house system that we manage. The operators all preferred the MixWiz for the ease of getting around and especially those that only work the room once or twice a month. They choose the MixWiz over the SL, but for them, it they have a problem navigating in a hurry it's their job on the line. They use little compression or gates, the effects on the MizWiz were planty adequate. Both consoles sounded plenty good so that wasn't an issue, neither was cost. The system is a flown triamped LCR system, 1500 seat room, lower level acts but plenty of conference and small talent events.



                        Depending on the application, for some applications I might choose the SL and some I might choose the Wiz. I would probably prefer mixing on the Wiz but the convenience of the SL is tempting. I really prefer mixing on my large frame analog consoles, just more comfortable, but I also have 8 channels of comp and 8 channles of gates, PCM-81, SPX-990's, SDE's availableso I am not really wanting for anything. Of the visiting engineers that come though my house venue, about 30% have said thay are much more comfortable on their favorite analog board, it's hard to explain but I understand completely the comfort factor. Like a comfortable familiar saddle or horse, it just works, every time..
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                        • #13
                          If you're running sound from stage, the full meter bridge of the SL is so beneficial it's no contest. Provided, of course, you can spare 2X the the dough and the additional size. FWIW, I went from a Mixwiz to an SL. Even if the SL didn't record or have remote mixing capability I would still choose it over the Mixwiz.
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                          • #14
                            OMG, this is a funny coincidence. Tonight I am mixing a sold out national A circuit comedy show (one of the Comedy Central act tours) and the guys call me down to the dressing room at intermission. Now they perform with lavs (NOT headsets) and while it's a little more challenging, they have great voices and project well. One of the guys asks me if I am using an analog console. I say yes and he says "I knew it" everything was perfect right from the start of the show and there were no excuses, delays in getting things set, routed, changed, etc. The had a few shows back to back with operators seriously hampered by the complication and instant access to controls , excuses, wait, wait, wait. They are not terribly patient, understandably.



                            Interesting, because IMO this is a good example of choosing the appropriate tool for the particular job, for the needs of the performer and to make it a simple execution to the end result. Could I have done it with a digital console... sure but clearly I am doing it better with my analog console than others (on this tour) are doing with their digital consoles. All the talent cares about (in this case) is the end result.
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                              Quote Originally Posted by agedhorse
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                              OMG, this is a funny coincidence. Tonight I am mixing a sold out national A circuit comedy show (one of the Comedy Central act tours) and the guys call me down to the dressing room at intermission. Now they perform with lavs (NOT headsets) and while it's a little more challenging, they have great voices and project well. One of the guys asks me if I am using an analog console. I say yes and he says "I knew it" everything was perfect right from the start of the show and there were no excuses, delays in getting things set, routed, changed, etc. The had a few shows back to back with operators seriously hampered by the complication and instant access to controls , excuses, wait, wait, wait. They are not terribly patient, understandably.



                              Interesting, because IMO this is a good example of choosing the appropriate tool for the particular job, for the needs of the performer and to make it a simple execution to the end result. Could I have done it with a digital console... sure but clearly I am doing it better with my analog console than others (on this tour) are doing with their digital consoles. All the talent cares about (in this case) is the end result.




                              I agree, and if I was working(again) as a house engineer I would have kept my analog system, but when you need to be mobile, digital offers too many advantages. By the way, I still have an A&H GL-2, kind of a 12 channel Gl2200, that I have in a club install. I'm a big fan of A&H analog boards-wish I could afford their digital system!

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