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  • #16






    Quote Originally Posted by ChiroVette
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    I was thinking the same thing, but then I realized he has a bass player and a drummer, so even with acoustic instruments, would he still not be better off, say with a pair of 612m's over one XLF sub?




    It depends. Maybe.



    With the 635's, I would not recommend a sub unless the LF levels required them. Generally, for most acoustic oriented events, the LF or the 635 is adequate.
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    • #17
      I'm in the $10,000 crowd. Two JBL PRX subs - two JBL PRX 12' tops - Allen heath Mix Whiz 16-2-III - cords - cables - some Shure SM 58B mics - stands - and extension cords - and poof - $ 10,000 is spent - AND - you walk into every gig knowing "everything gonna be alright".



      Keep it simple.



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      • #18
        You may want to consider skipping the floor monitors and going straight to In Ear Monitors.

        This won't really change the initial budget much, but may be less in the long term by not paying for monitors twice: first using speakers, then again later when you switch to IEM's.

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        • #19






          Quote Originally Posted by stevemaude2
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          You may want to consider skipping the floor monitors and going straight to In Ear Monitors.

          This won't really change the initial budget much, but may be less in the long term by not paying for monitors twice: first using speakers, then again later when you switch to IEM's.




          Particularly if he goes wired and not wireless. I was blown away how good my "homemade" system sounded even with relatively low end buds like the Klipsch s4's.

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          • #20
            Not sure if this would help, but I am in the process of pricing out full PA setups for my new group. They asked for two options: 1) lowest price while still getting decent gear, and 2) something better than option one, just so they know the prices to do a comparison.



            Option 1 was: 2 Yamaha SW118V subs, 2 Yamaha S115V tops, four of the Loudspeakers+ monitors, 2 Peavey IPR1600 amps (one for monitors and one for mains/subs), one of the Shure Mic 6 packs that comes with the carrying case, Audix D6 for a kick drum mic, a pair of the Audiopile overheads for the drums, Soundcraft MFXi12+2 board, and associated stands and cables. Price came out to $4,900 without buying used gear.



            Option 2 was: 2 JBL PRX612m tops, 1 618xlf sub, four of the Loudspeakers+ monitors with an IPR1600 to push them, one of the Shure Mic 6 packs with the carrying case that you find at guitar center, Audix D6 for a kick mic, a pair of the Audiopile overheads for the drums, Studiolive 16.0.2 board, 12x4 snake from audiopile, and associated stands and cables. Price came out to $6,500 without buying used gear.



            I created a spreadsheet with all of the prices to get the above numbers. We are leaning towards option 2 since it only costs a bit more, but option one would easily fit your group if your budget was tight.



            We are a five piece traveling praise and worship band (2 electrics, bass, drums, 3 vocals, and keyboardist with 2 boards). So our volume needs are not as great as some of the other posters. Also, since Agedhorse mentioned the two PRX635 would work without a sub for some (but not all) situations, I might present that option to the band.



            ETA: Just priced out 2 of the PRX635 for mains and they are the exact same price as 2 Yamaha SW118V subs, 2 S115V tops, and an IPR1600. The weight and size difference would be huge. Any chance the 635 will put out the same amount (or more) bass than 2 SW118V with 265 watts going to each? If so, it would be a no brainer to go with those over the Yamaha setup I listed above.
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            • #21
              I'm in the $10,000 crowd. Two JBL PRX subs - two JBL PRX 12' tops - Allen heath Mix Whiz 16-2-III - cords - cables - some Shure SM 58B mics - stands - and extension cords - and poof - $ 10,000 is spent - AND - you walk into every gig knowing "everything gonna be alright".

              Keep it simple.

              Be true to yourself.


              LOL - I forgot to list out getting some monitors. But I think you could get 2 or 3 and still make the 10 grand figure. I like using whatever I am using for "top" boxes for "monitors" too (getting all the same - just more of them) - for the value of redundancy - in case "something" goes wrong.
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              • #22
                You'd want an IPR3000 for your mains/monitors. I think you'll find the second option (with the option one mixer) not much more $$$ and a much nicer system, especially when you can afford the second sub someday. BTW I have a pair of the loudspeaker+ monitors and they are great - they were designed by Ramsdell Pro Audio. Also consider a Mackie DL1608 mixer .

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                • #23
                  LOL - I forgot to list out getting some monitors. But I think you could get 2 or 3 and still make the 10 grand figure. I like using whatever I am using for "top" boxes for "monitors" too (getting all the same - just more of them) - for the value of redundancy - in case "something" goes wrong.


                  Also, keep in mind that there are many dealers you can order who will give you very close to dealer price and the JBL (or other gear) will be drop-shipped to you from the factory. You could, for instance, get the PRX612m's for around $650.00 brand new even though they are $800.00 cabinets and the 618XLF ($1,200.00 cabs) for around $975.00. So once you factor in deep discounts from reputable guys like Mike Pyle, Northern Sound and Light, Arch City AV, and others, you can easily come in under ten grand for pretty stellar gear.

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                  • #24
                    FWIW, I think that the 12" over subs route is the easiest way to build a scalable system, especially if outdoor events are a consideration. I have chosen the PRX612m over PRX618sxlf route myself. Based on my "start with nothing, have to buy it all" experience, I think that about $5k is the low end of that budget (for buying new gear), and $10k being more realistic (but not absolutely necessary). Mark C.
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                    • #25
                      FWIW, I think that the 12" over subs route is the easiest way to build a scalable system, especially if outdoor events are a consideration. I have chosen the PRX612m over PRX618sxlf route myself. Based on my "start with nothing, have to buy it all" experience, I think that about $5k is the low end of that budget (for buying new gear), and $10k being more realistic (but not absolutely necessary). Mark C.


                      Also, what I like about this idea is that you don't have to go nuts to start off with to have a system that can be built and scaled.

                      So let's say you or the OP has decent monitor wedges. I am in that situation. I have a pair of JBL MR805's I power with a Crown Powerbase II amp and they sound pretty damned good. I also recently did wired IEM's on the cheap and I am setting it up for four of the musicians on stage, leaving the bass and drummer (who don't want IEM's) to each get an MR805 wedge for their own mix. Now my original plan to upgrade a little after the new year was to buy two PRX612m's as tops and 2 or 3 for monitor wedges. Now I don't have to do that. I can simply buy my 2 tops to put over a pair of XLF subs. Now in my case, I really want four 612m's so I could double up on the tops. But the point is that I don't need to have 4.

                      Since I have the MR805's and the inexpensive wired IEM's, let's say for some reason I end up short of cash when I buy. Well, I could simply snag two 612m's and ONE XLF sub. Now only one sub is obviously not ideal, but I could (or the OP could) add to it later when there is more money available, right? Like you said, a scalable system that you can just keep adding to rather than having to "replace when you have money."

                      I think you would agree that a pair of 612m's to start with (instead of 5 of them) and one XLF sub (instead of 2) while not being ideal, is a great starting point. Additionally, I am also buying a Presonus 24 channel mixer, BUT say money was more tight? Well, with a pair of 612m's over one XLF sub, I could easily hold off on a new mixer and use my old Soundcraft Rac Pac with no worries. So I could, in my position, have a pretty damned decent system with a combination of what I already have plus nothing more than a pair of 612's and one XLF and I could add components at my leisure, say over the course of six months to a year.

                      This is not the route I am going, but I just wanted to make a point that this is a viable approach. Building a system slowly that you won't have to replace so much as add to.

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                      • #26
                        Just out of curiosity...what size trailer are you guys using to haul stuff?

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                        • #27
                          No trailer, I'm afraid. Two subs, two tops, mixer, stands, and cables, etc, all fit in the Prius. If I need monitors, my buddy helps or I'm using a small van.

                          Stratguy 22 has posted pics of his sweet 5x10 trailer loaded up; some folks use the back of a pickup with a topper; others are dual axle trailer guys. I'm sure there are some cube vans in use, too.

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                          • #28
                            5x12

                            I loaded most everything into my quadcab Dakota before that. Everything fit, but only one way.


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