Members Tomm Williams Posted December 13, 2012 Members Share Posted December 13, 2012 Just caught part of the concert on TV. Watched Bruce Springsteen with John Bon Jovi. Both of them cupped their wireless units so high on the grill you almost couldn't see the grill at all. Good engineers or good mics or?????? I would have thought with all that stage experience, you wouldn't see that. Wrong again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TimmyP Posted December 13, 2012 Members Share Posted December 13, 2012 Monkey see, monkey do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bugzie Posted December 13, 2012 Members Share Posted December 13, 2012 At that level the sound crew can make a fart sound like a symphony! Was it me or was BonJovi's mic level low? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tomm Williams Posted December 13, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 13, 2012 Originally Posted by Bugzie At that level the sound crew can make a fart sound like a symphony! Was it me or was BonJovi's mic level low? Nope, you're correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Telestrastic Posted December 13, 2012 Members Share Posted December 13, 2012 IEM's? I didnt see Bruce using them, but Jon was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dcastar Posted December 13, 2012 Members Share Posted December 13, 2012 Originally Posted by frankthomson lipsync This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kmart Posted December 14, 2012 Members Share Posted December 14, 2012 Originally Posted by dcastar This. I doubt that very much, particularly if you're talking about Bon Jovi.For starters, he was clearly struggling to hit the high notes when singing the choruses on Livin' On A Prayer, to the point that he resorted to masking it by 'allowing' the crowd to sing every other line for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KellyMainEvent Posted December 14, 2012 Members Share Posted December 14, 2012 anyone know who the sound company was?? Clair probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sillypeoples Posted December 14, 2012 Members Share Posted December 14, 2012 Probably the best concert sound I have ever heard. Hat's off to Clapton and Keyes for 'keeping it real' if you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nousername Posted December 17, 2012 Members Share Posted December 17, 2012 Originally Posted by kmart I doubt that very much, particularly if you're talking about Bon Jovi.For starters, he was clearly struggling to hit the high notes when singing the choruses on Livin' On A Prayer, to the point that he resorted to masking it by 'allowing' the crowd to sing every other line for him. I recall seeing a video about this somewhere. Basically during the late 80s/early 90s he was struggling so much with the high notes that the keyboard player was singing most of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KF650SB1000 Posted December 17, 2012 Members Share Posted December 17, 2012 Originally Posted by KellyMainEvent anyone know who the sound company was?? Clair probably The main Audio supplier was Firehouse Productions who was using the new JBL VTX rig with additional support from Harmon (supplying more JBL VTX and Crown Itech-HD). The bands did bring in there production company for support: Solotech (Springsteen); Clair (Joel, McCartney, Bon Jovi, Stones, Waters, Who, Keys); Eighth Day Sound (West, Martin) (Coldplay); Delicate Productions (Dave Grohl of Foo Fighters/Nirvana); and Rat Sound (Vedder).Lighting was BML Blackbird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dbMontana Posted December 17, 2012 Members Share Posted December 17, 2012 OK, I'm just being curious here. I had recorded part of the 121212 concert last week and over the weekend watched a bit of it again. The SR for the Bon Jovi / Springsteen set was indeed outstanding especially considering there were (I'm doing this from memory) two "full" drum kits presumably both fully mic'd, a backline of four horns on the left each with a instrument pickup and a stage mic and 4-5 vocalists on the right each with stage mics, numerous mic'd amps, and a frontline of 4-5 instruments and stage mics -- not to mention ~15-20 sets of in-ears. Now I'd be the last noob to cast doubt on the abilities of some of the experienced brethren on this forum but is it even possible that one master wizard was able to run the entire show by themselves? I mean I'd assume there was definitely one master engineer responsible for the overall product but I wouldn't be surprised that for a gig of that scale there would typically be a team of sub engineers -- one for the drum kits, one for the backline, etc, etc, all feeding to and under the direction of the "master". Yes I'm sure they did a very extensive rehearsal/ sound check in the empty hall and even had a reasonably good estimate of what covering all of the horizontal surfaces with clothed humans would do to the dynamics of the room but still. Again, just being curious today. And yes, this is my very first post after lurking and learning here for almost a year now. It would be hard to overstate how much I've learned during this period and I offer a sincere thanks to all that contribute and especially Craig for keeping it all constructive and civil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 17, 2012 Members Share Posted December 17, 2012 Good question. Generally, there will be a FOH engineer, a monitor engineer, a systems engineer or two, a patch monkey, and a broadcast mix engineer or two. Yes, occassionally, there will be some sharing of mixing duties, but that depends on how and what is being done and the personalities involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Miko Man Posted December 17, 2012 Members Share Posted December 17, 2012 Welcome aboard, db. Congrats on joining the scene. Mark C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KF650SB1000 Posted December 17, 2012 Members Share Posted December 17, 2012 In the next couple months, I would expect that one of the major publishers will have some sort of show Tech write up with the number of companies involved. At minimal, I would think that Firehouse had at least: 1 'HEAD' System Tech that over saw all the entire PA, 1 FOH A1/Engineer, 1 MON A1/Engineer, 2-3 A2 for stage patching and running cables (show). And then each Band brought in their own consoles with Audio guys. At FOH, most logical scenario; each band sent 2-3 lines (Left, Right, Sub) from their console into Firehouse's Console. Most likely each band had their own snake run to FOH. At MONs; with bands on ears, most of it is self-contained allowing the band to run independently from the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dbMontana Posted December 18, 2012 Members Share Posted December 18, 2012 Thanks aged and KF65... -- sort of what I suspected/expected. It would be kind of interesting to learn how the show was actually handled, but again, it's only a matter of curiosity to me and not anything at all critical. While I'm getting ever more comfortable running three vocals and four instruments for a "acoustic" set, scaling that up by a factor of five or more with an audience of hundreds-of-thousands(?) is mind boggling to say the least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 18, 2012 Members Share Posted December 18, 2012 Originally Posted by dbMontana scaling that up by a factor of five or more with an audience of hundreds-of-thousands(?) is mind boggling to say the least! It certainly can be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members modulusman Posted December 19, 2012 Members Share Posted December 19, 2012 Originally Posted by dbMontana OK, I'm just being curious here. I had recorded part of the 121212 concert last week and over the weekend watched a bit of it again. The SR for the Bon Jovi / Springsteen set was indeed outstanding especially considering there were (I'm doing this from memory) two "full" drum kits presumably both fully mic'd, a backline of four horns on the left each with a instrument pickup and a stage mic and 4-5 vocalists on the right each with stage mics, numerous mic'd amps, and a frontline of 4-5 instruments and stage mics -- not to mention ~15-20 sets of in-ears. Now I'd be the last noob to cast doubt on the abilities of some of the experienced brethren on this forum but is it even possible that one master wizard was able to run the entire show by themselves? I mean I'd assume there was definitely one master engineer responsible for the overall product but I wouldn't be surprised that for a gig of that scale there would typically be a team of sub engineers -- one for the drum kits, one for the backline, etc, etc, all feeding to and under the direction of the "master". Yes I'm sure they did a very extensive rehearsal/ sound check in the empty hall and even had a reasonably good estimate of what covering all of the horizontal surfaces with clothed humans would do to the dynamics of the room but still. Again, just being curious today.And yes, this is my very first post after lurking and learning here for almost a year now. It would be hard to overstate how much I've learned during this period and I offer a sincere thanks to all that contribute and especially Craig for keeping it all constructive and civil. Another howdy from over Bozeman way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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