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    Most of the gigs I play are solo-duet acoustic shows for a meal, free sodas, and relatively meager wages. I usually use a Presonus SL 16.0.2 through two QSC K12 mains. The SL sounds great for us just using the factory presets with a very little tweaking at each gig.



    But I'd love to find an even smaller "rig" to replace the SL. I'm old, have a cranky back, and the SL is overkill for my gig needs. I already have an Ipad 2 that's loaded with Auria. I've read and seen on YouTube that it might be possible to just use Auria with an audio interface as a live mixing set up on the Ipad.



    Anyone else done this for actual live gigs mixing while playing?



    It'd be sweet to use the Ipad like this as long as I'd have the same sound quality and signal processing available as on the SL (i.e., Compressor, Gate, EQ, and some good reverb and delays).



    I tend to get everything set before we start, and then just sorta tighten it up between the first few songs. Then I don't touch the mix again other than muting between sets.



    All suggestions are appreciated - well with the exception of buying a compact analog mixer. Tried that last year, and they just can't hold a candle to sounding as good as the SL. And I need all the help I can get at sounding better.



    I'm aware of the Mackie DL1608, but wondered what other options are out "there."

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    Peter, I'd be concerned about lag. I think the iPad is fine for controlling the SL, but not for replacing it.
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    • #3
      http://www.presonus.com/products/AudioBox-1818VSL



      This.



      But



      You would still need a laptop & router. Or Mac mini and a router.



      But



      You could mount it all into a 2 space ATA case.



      Drop the case on stage. Run your mics to the front, patch into the rear. Fire up the comp and you're good to go. 8XLR in 3 sets of stereo pairs out & the mains.



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      • #4
        My advice, you have the SL, use it. It's small and convienent with all you need built in and a real mixer in case the ipad connection fails you at some point, and from my experience it likely will.



        IMO, anything less that what you're doing now it pretty much the point of diminishing return.
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        • #5
          Peter, I think you are way overthinking this. The 16.0.2 SL mixer is probably the lightest part of your rig. lol Why look to ditch that for these gigs? I mean, if you tell me that the 41 pounds each K12's are too heavy, carting them around and putting them way up on stands, I can sort of understand that. But your mixer is compact and a mere 20 pounds. I bet my female vocalist could carry that under her arm while carrying one of the K12's by the handle with her other hand.



          I cannot, for one second, imagine how this tiny little 16 channel mixer would put a strain on your aching back, particularly since you seem all right with the K12's and presumably are awkwardly putting them up on high stands.

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            Quote Originally Posted by Pater Familias
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            But I'd love to find an even smaller "rig" to replace the SL. ............... Anyone else done this for actual live gigs mixing while playing?



            It'd be sweet to use the Ipad like this as long as I'd have the same sound quality and signal processing available as on the SL (i.e., Compressor, Gate, EQ, and some good reverb and delays).



            I tend to get everything set before we start, and then just sorta tighten it up between the first few songs. Then I don't touch the mix again other than muting between sets.



            I'm aware of the Mackie DL1608, but wondered what other options are out "there."




            Lots of people are starting to use the Ipad for what you're describing (I haven't made the leap yet and probably won't) and my reply is somewhat contrary to the direction you going BUT :

            I'm doing something similar with a Line6 Pod X3 bean.

            It's small, has 2 inputs (one balanced and one unbalanced), has two 1/4" outputs, and has dedicated full effects processing for each input/output. I don't even soundcheck, the levels stay the same but I DO have to eq the FOH before starting (monitors and foh are done in 5 minuetes). The effects and processing are more than useable. It's works great for MY application.



            the pros are : It has zero potential to freeze or lock-up or not be charged.

            the cons are : it's not designed as a mixer, if you HAVE to make a change there is a

            menu to navigate before you can make adjustments....which (come to

            think of it) is the same design all the newer digital boards have (you

            have to click and click and THEN turn a knob).



            my routing is :



            vocal ~> xlr in ~> gate ~>preamp ~> eq ~> comp ~> delay~> reverb ~> 1/4" right out into Radial ProD2 right



            guitar ~> 1/4" in ~> gate~>preamp ~> eq~> reverb ~> 1/4" right out into Radial ProD2 right



            iphone(loops) ~> Radial ProD2 left



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            • #7
              I'm of the opinion that a presonus is way overkill for a duo gig with only a few inputs. What about a compact mixer like the A&H zed something? When I do a small gig like that usually the mixer is mackie 1202 sized.
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                Quote Originally Posted by Unalaska
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                I'm of the opinion that a presonus is way overkill for a duo gig with only a few inputs. What about a compact mixer like the A&H zed something? When I do a small gig like that usually the mixer is mackie 1202 sized.




                It's the 1602 though not the bigger brothers. It's 15.5" by 16"..... And he already owns it. Also the point is to maintain ipad control.
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                • #9
                  I agree with Abzurd and doubt your gonna find a differnt product to configure that can beat your exsisting rig. The VSL 1818 could work but as mentioned you gotta have a computer and router and you never know when your computer might have a hicup.

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                    Quote Originally Posted by Unalaska
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                    I'm of the opinion that a presonus is way overkill for a duo gig with only a few inputs. What about a compact mixer like the A&H zed something? When I do a small gig like that usually the mixer is mackie 1202 sized.




                    I would agree that buying this mixer for his existing project is overkill, but since he already has one, why spend more money? He has this awesome, amazing sounding mixer already. it is compact, easy to use, and will do the jo great.

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                      Quote Originally Posted by Unalaska
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                      I'm of the opinion that a presonus is way overkill for a duo gig with only a few inputs. What about a compact mixer like the A&H zed something? When I do a small gig like that usually the mixer is mackie 1202 sized.










                      Quote Originally Posted by abzurd
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                      It's the 1602 though not the bigger brothers. It's 15.5" by 16"..... And he already owns it. Also the point is to maintain ipad control.




                      and,,,,,,,,,,, to maintain the processing and routing that you won't find on the small (ex; 4 channel) mixers.)
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                      • #12
                        What about the smaller Mackie iPad based mixer? It's smaller, lighter, cheaper, and may be a better choice (assuming it works reliably and you can get passed the silly marketing).
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                          Quote Originally Posted by agedhorse
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                          What about the smaller Mackie iPad based mixer? It's smaller, lighter, cheaper, and may be a better choice (assuming it works reliably and you can get passed the silly marketing).




                          Starting with nothing I would agree that would be a fine path, but $1000 to essentially make a sideways move. I dunno, it just seems silly to me. It's 15 1/2" by 11 1/2" so not really all that much smaller either.
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                          • #14
                            It doesn't get much more compact, lightweight, and easy to use than the DL 1608. I am using mine regularly while playing with band and FOH mixing jobs. No problems with reliability so far. The price and functionality its hard to beat IMO.



                            This weekend I will be playing drums and mixing monitors for the band and one of my mixing techs will be using his I Pad to run FOH. Love the versatility of this mixer.

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                              Quote Originally Posted by abzurd
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                              Starting with nothing I would agree that would be a fine path, but $1000 to essentially make a sideways move. I dunno, it just seems silly to me. It's 15 1/2" by 11 1/2" so not really all that much smaller either.




                              Actually, I agree with you. This does (seems to anyway) make the most sense but was rejected as too big for a duo (???)
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