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  • #16






    Quote Originally Posted by nchangin
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    I draw GX7 is 10.1

    I draw 2450 is 7



    Sorry I = (amperes)



    Regarding weight class D seems to be the way to go nowadays and in the future. Not that I like the weight but I do know I can trust the big heavy QSC's.



    I am biased had a crown XTI go bad, I have never had a peavey go bad though and I'm not going to tell you which one to buy, they both make good quality amplifiers. Roadranger swears by the Peavey IPR's may want to demo one of those. I think the IPR's have a DSP version too.....




    What I don't like about the Peavey IPR amps is the relatively limited input/output connectors. The QSC and Crown I'm considering have speakon and binding post outputs. The QSC even has 1/4" outputs.



    As for DSP, I don't need it but the Crown comes with it. BTW, I think you're thinking about a different Crown than the one I'm talking about. The one I'm talking about does have DSP but it doesn't have an interface for hooking it up to a computer and programming it. I don't think it has any presets either. It's all done via the front panel and the settings are simple - stereo/bridged, xover on/off and frequency, x-over type, clip limiter on/off.



    Basically I'm trying to decide if the Crown's ability to handle 2 ohm loads is worth paying slightly more for than the QSC which would give me more power but can't handle 2 ohm loads and is refurbished, at least in the price range I can afford. (Crown I can afford new, QSC would be a refurb)
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    • #17
      What's your budget? What speaker combomodelsconfig are you attaching? Your xover is 1/4" only correct hence your preference for 1/4" input? Your goal is to power subs on one chan and tops on the other channel right? Do you have existing binding post connector wires as well? and last question what other ampconfig is being used with this amp?



      Of those two if you are going to go with 2 ohm loads crown wins obviously, gives you more options down the road as well. 2 ohm load your THD goes to 1 % vs .5 %



      As far as latency per Aged Horse assuming if your not using it (DSP) assume latency then wouldn't be a factor? not sure would have to see what his input is on that.



      As far as the crown's ability to handle a 2 ohm load, it says it does. How long? I dunno maybe other actual users can shed some light on that question.



      If your not running stereo why not use the onboard DSP for this amp and run two subs off one chan and two tops off the other channel and dump the external xover? (going from memory for your config as I know you are changing/upgrading)

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      • #18






        Quote Originally Posted by guitarman3001
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        What I don't like about the Peavey IPR amps is the relatively limited input/output connectors. The QSC and Crown I'm considering have speakon and binding post outputs. The QSC even has 1/4" outputs.




        Frankly, who cares what additional input and output connectors are provided if they are not necessary. Ideally, every amp would come with XLR in and Speak-on out. That's it. We wouldn't have all the interface issues if the low end of the industry would just standardize on the same standards that the pro industry has.









        Quote Originally Posted by guitarman3001
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        As for DSP, I don't need it but the Crown comes with it. BTW, I think you're thinking about a different Crown than the one I'm talking about. The one I'm talking about does have DSP but it doesn't have an interface for hooking it up to a computer and programming it. I don't think it has any presets either. It's all done via the front panel and the settings are simple - stereo/bridged, xover on/off and frequency, x-over type, clip limiter on/off.




        Crown in some of it's marketing referrs to this amp as not having DSP but I am pretty sure that this was a model that I tested and it has latency typical of DSP. If it smells like DSP, it's probably DSP. This latency issue is something that can create problems when mixing with other, different DSP based or non DSP based amps.









        Quote Originally Posted by guitarman3001
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        Basically I'm trying to decide if the Crown's ability to handle 2 ohm loads is worth paying slightly more for than the QSC which would give me more power but can't handle 2 ohm loads and is refurbished, at least in the price range I can afford. (Crown I can afford new, QSC would be a refurb)




        If you really NEED 2 ohm operation, then 2 ohm capable can be a feature but if you do NOT need 2 ohm operation, then it does not matter one stinking bit.



        You need to fully understand YOUR APPLICATION before making the assumptions that you are making, otherwise yo may end up with a product that is not as good as you think it may be FOR YOUR APPLICATION.
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        • #19






          Quote Originally Posted by guitarman3001
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          What I don't like about the Peavey IPR amps is the relatively limited input/output connectors. The QSC and Crown I'm considering have speakon and binding post outputs. The QSC even has 1/4" outputs.




          Frankly, who cares what additional input and output connectors are provided if they are not necessary. Ideally, every amp would come with XLR in and Speak-on out. That's it. We wouldn't have all the interface issues if the low end of the industry would just standardize on the same standards that the pro industry has.









          Quote Originally Posted by guitarman3001
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          As for DSP, I don't need it but the Crown comes with it. BTW, I think you're thinking about a different Crown than the one I'm talking about. The one I'm talking about does have DSP but it doesn't have an interface for hooking it up to a computer and programming it. I don't think it has any presets either. It's all done via the front panel and the settings are simple - stereo/bridged, xover on/off and frequency, x-over type, clip limiter on/off.




          Crown in some of it's marketing referrs to this amp as not having DSP but I am pretty sure that this was a model that I tested and it has latency typical of DSP. If it smells like DSP, it's probably DSP. This latency issue is something that can create problems when mixing with other, different DSP based or non DSP based amps.









          Quote Originally Posted by guitarman3001
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          Basically I'm trying to decide if the Crown's ability to handle 2 ohm loads is worth paying slightly more for than the QSC which would give me more power but can't handle 2 ohm loads and is refurbished, at least in the price range I can afford. (Crown I can afford new, QSC would be a refurb)




          If you really NEED 2 ohm operation, then 2 ohm capable can be a feature but if you do NOT need 2 ohm operation, then it does not matter one stinking bit.



          You need to fully understand YOUR APPLICATION before making the assumptions that you are making, otherwise yo may end up with a product that is not as good as you think it may be FOR YOUR APPLICATION.
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          • #20






            Quote Originally Posted by guitarman3001
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            I haven't seen those anywhere. The ones I mentioned are easily found all over the place.




            Thanks for pointing out my spelling error, I fixed it. :-)



            A quick Google search and I can find zero Crest ProLite 3.0 in stock - plus DSP version isn't out yet - plus assorted stories of "it will be here next week - really - we promise" look like the norm. ???



            It may not be an issue for your app but even the limited DSP in the XLS 2500 is always in the signal path - so an AD/DA conversion is there and as agedhorse pointed out - a bit of latency.

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            • #21






              Quote Originally Posted by Two of Seven
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              Are the ProLites even available anywhere yet?




              there have been a number of dealers on Ebay and Amazon selling the ProLite 2.0. I've found a couple places that list the 3.0 as being in stock but I haven't verified that.
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              • #22
                We have one of those Crown XLS2500s at my residency. They sound gritty and digital in comparison to a QSC RMX2500 and even a temporary Crown CE2000. The other amps I mentioned sounded much more warm.
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                • #23
                  Crowns blow front to back , QSC's the other way if it makes a difference.

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                  • #24






                    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffle
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                    We have one of those Crown XLS2500s at my residency. They sound gritty and digital in comparison to a QSC RMX2500 and even a temporary Crown CE2000. The other amps I mentioned sounded much more warm.




                    I really find that hard to believe.
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                    - Hughes Kettner Edition Tube 20 (the early Voxy sounding one) Sounds & looks good. $250 + shipping. SOLD
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                    • #25






                      Quote Originally Posted by Gaffle
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                      We have one of those Crown XLS2500s at my residency. They sound gritty and digital in comparison to a QSC RMX2500 and even a temporary Crown CE2000. The other amps I mentioned sounded much more warm.




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                      • #26
                        Another vote for QSC amp

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                        • #27






                          Quote Originally Posted by twostone
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                          Another vote for QSC amp




                          Even if it's a refurb?
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                          • #28






                            Quote Originally Posted by guitarman3001
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                            Even if it's a refurb?




                            Sure, if it carries their full warranty.
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                            • #29






                              Quote Originally Posted by agedhorse
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                              Sure, if it carries their full warranty.




                              Per the seller, it's a company that sells them on ebay, he says the refurbs come with a 90 day warranty.
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                              • #30
                                At lease with Guitar center (if you went used) you would have a 1 year ext warranty for a minimal cost. 90 days.... ouch. May I ask what kinda price your getting on the refurb?

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