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  • #46
    Vinny, from what I read, that just says that your downloads (versus your cd rips) are of crappy quality (or occasionally good; you did say, "hit or miss") regardless of bitrate.



    That's not a media player problem, it's a content and/or content provider issue.
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    • #47
      the bit rate doesn't tell you squat really. That file could have been transcoded (changed from one format to another or one bit rate to another). If you're downloading pirated stuff it will be a complete crap shoot. For instance the original mp3 could be a 128 bit rate file that someone up-converted to 320. The quality of that file goes down as you can't make a lossy format better by encoding it higher. It's just reencoding the output of the 128 file so it's actually losing additional quality.



      Another issue is that not all encoders are equal. Files encoded using the Xing encoder, have many more artifacts than one using LAME. Xing was used back in the day because it was fast. But fast wasn't good.



      Finally, you have to consider the source. The fact is, some recordings just sound terrible and always have. It's not always the fault of the mp3.
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      • #48
        Everything that has been downloaded comes from Itunes....and I will admit that part of it is that I am just not that savy at all this techno stuff which is why I am still a analog guy.
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        • #49
          Maybe you are not happy with Itunes as a content provider? And definitely not at whatever quality level you have been using them?
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          • #50






            Quote Originally Posted by Bobby1Note
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            Al, I presume the Sony comes with earbuds,,,, are they any good? Apple seems to offer various qualities of "earbuds/earphones".




            Any Sony earbuds that come with any portable Sony player made in the last 7 years or so are complete and utter crap from my experience. I have about 7 sets of them in a droar as "spares" for my daughters or for anyone that needs free earphones. Cheap, dollar store quality junk. ****************, ****************, ****************. Even ultra high bitrate music comes out sounding like a 56kbps download of a 1930's recording. I'm always amazed at headphone specs. They always tell you the response is something like 15-20khz and with 105db sensitivity, almost regardless of who makes them. I imagine there should be a -/+ 30db qualifier next to most of those frequency response specs...



            I own about 5 sets of big/comfortable headphones from Sony/Panasonic (all between 30-70$) and none of them are particularly good sounding. (OK for listening to a movie to not disturb someone, but no redeeming qualities for serious music listening) They all have very obvious shortcomings (frequencies that are too loud/too weak) that are instantly audible. Most of the Sonys are terribly dark and undetailed (especiall my most expensive "bass" headphones, while the Panasonics are too bright (the annoying type of bright) with almost non existent mids.



            I am planning on getting some Senheisers or Audio Technicas or AKGs eventually for studio use. Any of my powered speakers I can get sounding good with very little eq, but these under 100$ headphones - yuk. And the included Sony earbuds are 50X worse. Like AM radio. Basically, mostly mids with little detail anywhere else. And they're not comfortable or durable. They were included probably because Sony felt obligated to include something - anything that produced sound when plugged into their electronics. This simply shows me that Sony couldn't care less about the perceived sound quality of their products. No pride whatsoever. And their TVs suck too. That's all I have to say about that. Not sure what happened to Sony. They used to make some decent stuff....



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            • #51
              • The sound quality on iPods is plenty fine, especially as break music or in the car. It's not as good as a real CD on a real stereo, but much better than pretty much everything else.

              • Do not get an iPod touch. They're annoying and clumsy to use as a music player, they're super expensive for their capacity and they're fairly fragile. Get an iPod classic. They're high capacity, easy to use and don't have all the crap you're likely to never use anyways.

              • You charge them with the included USB cable, or you can buy a separate power cable that charges them faster.

              • I connect mine with either a 1/8" to stereo RCA or 1/8" to stereo 1/4".

              • Audio level from song to song depends on how you rip music. If you download your music it varies depending on how the person uploading the music has ripped them. If you rip them straight from CD or buy from iTunes, the audio level will be consistent.

              • I rip music from CD as mp3 at 192kbps. IMO 256kbps and 320kbps aren't much better and use much more storage space.

              • Make sure you turn off the EQ and all of those annoying system noises. Those stupid clicks and whoosh noises as you scroll and select songs will output to the system and makes you look like a jackass.

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              • #52
                Al,



                So, are you saying you don't like Sony????



                I wonder how the iPod Touch's "earphones" sound. Anybody?



                Al,



                I just bought some AKG 702's a while back. I haven't listened to them yet, but when I do, I'll get back to you. They seem to have a very good reputation, and I got a very decent deal on them too. These are open-backed cans, which is what I prefer for "listening". There seems to be quite a few people over at Gearslutz, using these cans for recording (mixing and mastering).
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                • #53






                  Quote Originally Posted by Mogwix
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                  • Do not get an iPod touch. They're annoying and clumsy to use as a music player, they're super expensive for their capacity and they're fairly fragile. Get an iPod classic. They're high capacity, easy to use and don't have all the crap you're likely to never use anyways.












                    Hmmm; the three reasons why I was considering the Touch are;



                    1. That's the only model of "refurbed" iPods available at the moment. At $229. for 64 gigs, that's not bad.



                    2. I want a screen, so I can see my playlist.



                    3. The ability to take pics and videos at a gig. (if the low-light capability is adequate).



                    I can't see myself ever needing the 160GB capacity of the iPod Classic. If it wasn't for taking videos, I'd probably be happy with a 8-16 gig iPod Nano.
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                  • #54






                    Quote Originally Posted by Mogwix
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                    I rip music from CD as mp3 at 192kbps. IMO 256kbps and 320kbps aren't much better and use much more storage space.




                    +1 - going from 128 to 196 is a noticeable improvement, a much smaller improvement going from 196 to 256, and going from 256 to 320 would take some critical listening on a great recording to hear any difference.

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                    • #55






                      Quote Originally Posted by Mogwix
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                      • Do not get an iPod touch. They're annoying and clumsy to use as a music player, they're super expensive for their capacity and they're fairly fragile. Get an iPod classic. They're high capacity, easy to use and don't have all the crap you're likely to never use anyways.






                      I find the opposite actually. Plus the added benefit of wifi to stream pandora if I wanted, or look up something in a pinch. I have both and I just find it easier to get around on the touch.



                      Fragility is an issue due to the screen, but just get a case like anything else and should be good to go. Again 8gb is more than enough space unless you are uploading AFLAC files.

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                      • #56
                        Our band uses iPods for sequencing and they've been rock solid going on 2 years now, and that's using 1 or 2 per gig 3 gigs a week. All iPods have identical content except the iPod classics (160gb) have more break videos on them, the 32gb touches basically have the videos and some audio but none are hooked up to the iCloud or my personal email etc since if they get stolen my email etc can't be compromised.



                        I bought a 64gb touch for me personally and loaded it with band stuff and instill have another 26gb for my own stuff. It's basically 80% of an ipad in a small screen. Very freaking cool ipod, glad I got it. It's nice to be able to take advantage of all the extras the iPod has in common with the ipad, though some apps are cumbersome.



                        Fwiw I also got a refurbed one and its connected using a hosa 1/8 to dual 1/4 cable. The sequence racks use the 30pin docking cable get charged while in use.
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                        • #57
                          I use (don't fall down laughing) a dedicated laptop running Windows ME (yes ME). My laptop has no battery. (not a dead battery, no battery) It is dedicated to this one purpose. I call it my wide screen MP3 player. I keep it in my trailer and don't worry about when it might die. I use Winamp to play the music. I find the large format screen much easier to use and I use the windows Search to look up songs. My entire collection is copied to a cheap external hard drive, with the most often used songs on the C drive. If I need to acquire a song on the fly, I use another wifi device to get it. I buy most from Amazon, but converted all my CD's before I started buying mp3's. When my laptop eventually does die, I should be able to acquire a 10 year old replacement cheaply enough.

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                          • #58






                            Quote Originally Posted by Unalaska
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                            Our band uses iPods for sequencing and they've been rock solid going on 2 years now, and that's using 1 or 2 per gig 3 gigs a week. All iPods have identical content except the iPod classics (160gb) have more break videos on them, the 32gb touches basically have the videos and some audio but none are hooked up to the iCloud or my personal email etc since if they get stolen my email etc can't be compromised.



                            I bought a 64gb touch for me personally and loaded it with band stuff and instill have another 26gb for my own stuff. It's basically 80% of an ipad in a small screen. Very freaking cool ipod, glad I got it. It's nice to be able to take advantage of all the extras the iPod has in common with the ipad, though some apps are cumbersome.



                            Fwiw I also got a refurbed one and its connected using a hosa 1/8 to dual 1/4 cable. The sequence racks use the 30pin docking cable get charged while in use.




                            Very cool; are the apps any good? Does the Touch have a built-in mic?
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                            • #59
                              It does have a mic and there are SPL and measurement apps, BUT there can't be any assurance the mic is calibrated. Big grain of salt there. About 80-90% of ipad apps work on iPod touch or iPhone, the iPod touch is basically an iPhone without the phone part. I'm very happy with mine.
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                              • #60
                                You must have a newer one - my older gen 2 and gen 3 do not have mics . But I was able to get a couple of plug-ins off of eBay for $5 . Definitely not calibrated but I'll check them against one of my iPads one of these days.

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