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    We played a show at a nice venue Saturday night - and were told we had to use the house PA and Sound Guy.



    It went well.



    I was home and drinking a martini 29 minutes after we hit the last note.
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    What should I say (?) - "tough break" (?).
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    • #3
      So what kind of in house PA rig did the place have ?

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        Quote Originally Posted by twostone
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        So what kind of in house PA rig did the place have ?




        JBL SRX mains and subs, JBL wedges (not sure which model), Crown something or other power, A&H board (again not sure which model - the guy told me but I do not recall - i know it was not a mixwiz - and it had 4 monitor mixes available). I didn't get to see any of the other stuff. I used my own vocal effects (Voicelive 2).
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        • #5
          Sounds like a successful night.... and you to hope to look forward to playing there again.
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          • #6






            Quote Originally Posted by dcastar
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            Sounds like a successful night.... and you to hope to look forward to playing there again.




            Hek yeah. Its good $, great crowd, they have a sound guy who knows how to use the system - and it is 6 mi. from my house.
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            • #7
              Honestly, these types of gigs seem to be more prevalent than a lot of people think they are. If your gig was anything like the ones we played with this setup, then you probably had to pay the sound man out of your band's "take." That's how we had to do it at least. Sometimes gigs like this can be good because usually places with this arrangement have good sound engineers and great equipment and the added benefit of having a nice built-in crowd so you don't have to do all the marketing yourself. Sounds like it went well for you guys.

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              • #8
                It's nice to have a sound guy that actually knows the system and how to use it. That's the thing that always scares me. (We're pretty good without house sound.)

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                • #9






                  Quote Originally Posted by ChiroVette
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                  If your gig was anything like the ones we played with this setup, then you probably had to pay the sound man out of your band's "take."




                  Were you the one hiring the sound? Every time I work as a house tech I get paid by the venue, not the bands.

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                  • #10






                    Quote Originally Posted by ChiroVette
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                    If your gig was anything like the ones we played with this setup, then you probably had to pay the sound man out of your band's "take."




                    Ours not like yours.









                    Quote Originally Posted by Mogwix
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                    Were you the one hiring the sound? Every time I work as a house tech I get paid by the venue, not the bands.




                    This.
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                      Quote Originally Posted by ChiroVette
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                      Honestly, these types of gigs seem to be more prevalent than a lot of people think they are. If your gig was anything like the ones we played with this setup, then you probably had to pay the sound man out of your band's "take."




                      I certainly hope not. When you agree to a price any "attached strings" should be disclosed up front. If I show up and my $X turns into $X-production costs, then Houston, we have a problem.



                      I'm glad it went well, but often these "surprises" don't benefit the performer. The moral of the story is, when agreeing to perform at a venue you're unfamiliar with, you need to ask this kind of stuff at the time of booking versus being pleasantly or unpleasantly surprised when you show up. If you are providing PA you should ask about the capacity of the room and the layout. If you think your own PA might underwhelm you may need to ask more questions and do some homework like finding out other bands that play there to see if it looks like you're in over your head.
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                      • #12
                        This is like the harmony central anti-thread. No drama whatsoever.

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                        • #13






                          Quote Originally Posted by Mogwix
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                          Were you the one hiring the sound? Every time I work as a house tech I get paid by the venue, not the bands.




                          There are a couple of clubs in Long Island that are highly coveted by bands who desperately want to play there. If you play there, you know well in advance that YOU are paying the house sound man out of your take. You either agree to those terms or you don't play those clubs, period.



                          And the reason these clubs are so highly sought after by bands is because the places have huge built-in crowds that pay your cover charge and you can still obviously bring your own people down. I am not saying this is ideal, but I can promise you that in these clubs, even with the bands paying the house sound man, the band will make more money in the end. So while, on spec, I think this is a terrible setup, in the end, you make out better.

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                            Quote Originally Posted by ChiroVette
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                            You either agree to those terms or you don't play those clubs, period.




                            I guess it makes sense given the circumstances, but it's still an odd way of doing things. They may as well make the bands front the cash to stock the bar and provide all the staff and security as well. Do the sound guys get an equal cut of the band earnings or is it a flat fee?



                            The venue I'm working in now was built by a local rich dude. He died recently and now his subordinates are running the place, but nobody has any idea what they're doing. I guess what they plan on doing is renting the venue at a fee, and expecting the promoter/band to stock the bar and provide all the staff. It doesn't make any sense. Obviously the venue isn't making money because they're undercutting themselves with a flat rental rate instead of taking profit on all the booze sales.



                            On the other hand, it's great because me and the bands are making out like complete bandits.

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                            • #15
                              I have done these places as well. I don't mind at all since neither I or anyone in my band do this for real money (just gas and drink money really). It is nice not to have to setup all that gear, and even nicer to have a built in sound man who usually knows at least the system in front of him



                              I have had good luck with this.
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