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    I play in a blues duo and mostly do small venues at a conversational sound level. Our little PA has handled this so far. We are getting booked in some rowdier venues and are considering a pair of powered speaks . We make almost nothing at these dives so we are looking at cheap. Peavey PR15P, Behringer b215d. I use a 4 channel mixer with mics direct and guitar through a POD. Any ideas appreciated.

    Oldude

  • #2
    "good" and "cheap" don't often mix.

    What's your budget? Based off your listings of the PR15 and B215D.... I'd hazard to guess you're under-budgeting.

    The advice you'll most likely receive from many of us here is : "Buy once, Cry once." - meaning, don't cheap out in the first place, only to have to go back a 2nd time and spend more money to get a better piece of gear that you could've gotten the first time.


    For a Blues Duo... that doesn't need a lot of volume... some decent "lower budget" options would be:

    QSC K10 or K12
    JBL PRX612
    RCF ART 310A or 312A
    Yamaha DXR10 or DXR12
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    • #3
      "good" and "cheap" don't often mix.

      What's your budget? Based off your listings of the PR15 and B215D.... I'd hazard to guess you're under-budgeting.

      The advice you'll most likely receive from many of us here is : "Buy once, Cry once." - meaning, don't cheap out in the first place, only to have to go back a 2nd time and spend more money to get a better piece of gear that you could've gotten the first time.


      For a Blues Duo... that doesn't need a lot of volume... some decent "lower budget" options would be:

      QSC K10 or K12
      JBL PRX612
      RCF ART 310A or 312A
      Yamaha DXR10 or DXR12



      Very good advice here. One question for the OP - what instruments will you run through this system? Knowing this might help us help you. By the way, I also play in an acoustic blues duo.
      <div class="signaturecontainer"><a href="http://www.dreadedblues.com" target="_blank">www.dreadedblues.com</a></div>

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      • #4
        dcastar is spot on. I assume that the duo is probably bass, guitar (or 2 guitars) and vocals (I am also in a duo like this) and the 12" speakers actually do great low end at smaller venues. Hauling around a couple 12" speakers compared to a couple of heavier and bigger 15" speakers might be something to look into. You can always add a powered sub down the road if needed. My duo generally uses an older PRX512 (sometimes 2) and the bass is nice, clean and clear at smaller places. In bigger places we will use a single sub. We usually only use a second 512 if the room needs better coverage. The speakers are plenty loud that one can fill some of the rooms we work. That and a stand to get the sound over people's heads and we are set. I'm a self-confessed JBL fanboy but all the dcastar's suggestions will work, although some will need a little more tweaking of the EQ than others. A single good quality 12" will be better than two lower end 15" speakers.
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        • #5
          Very good advice here. One question for the OP - what instruments will you run through this system? Knowing this might help us help you. By the way, I also play in an acoustic blues duo.


          I run a Godin 5th Ave acoustic with a floating hb , vocal mic and harmonica mic The guitar I use with a 1st gen POD as a direct.

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          • #6
            I run a Godin 5th Ave acoustic with a floating hb , vocal mic and harmonica mic The guitar I use with a 1st gen POD as a direct.


            Good quality 12" cabs should work well for you. That is what I use (at least I think they are good quality), though my setup is passive.
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            • #7
              Thanks for the advice

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              • #8
                Stay away from all Behringer products

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                • #9
                  I often think duos in smaller venues would be better off with one good quality speaker set up right behind them. As long as you stay tight to the mics you can get pretty darn high level out of it and you can hear it for monitoring. In many small spaces, one 90 degree horn is has enough coverage too.
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                  • #10
                    some decent "lower budget" options would be:

                    QSC K10 or K12
                    JBL PRX612
                    RCF ART 310A or 312A
                    Yamaha DXR10 or DXR12


                    [COLOR="red"]Warning - Dumb Question Of the Year Alert

                    Are these speakers really low budget? I ask because to build a PA system out of, let's say a pair of PRX612 tops, a pair of matched PRX618XLF subs, plus say another pair of 612's as monitors would cost upwards of 6 grand without a mixer, stands, effects, bags, wires, and other rack equipment.

                    Then again (at the risk of answering my own question) if I wanted to go high end, I guess I could go for a pair of VRX932Lap's as tops, a pair of VRX918sp subs, plus a pair of Srx712 monitors with a nice crown amp to power them, which would all come out to about ten grand instead of six. lol

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                    • #11
                      That assumes you consider VRX932's as "high end". Which to a good amount of us, they are not.
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                      • #12


                        There is a small and extremely smart group of people here that realize the mid-level speakers that dcastar mentions should be the lowest end that anybody considers. They are all good quality and reliable speakers that will give the owner years of great service. There are cheaper speakers out there but generally, the added quality and reliability that the mentioned speakers offer make them well worth the few extra dollars.

                        High end? Try Meyer. That would be where I would head once I outgrow my current "low end" system (PRX512s over PRX618XLFs). I wouldn't go lower than what I own and it is an incredible sounding and reliable system. I have over $15,000 in my "low end" system and that is a really nice sounding starting point.
                        <div class="signaturecontainer"><b><font size="2">&quot;The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.&quot;</font></b> - <i>Hunter S. Thompson</i><br />
                        <br />
                        Band promo shots on railroad tracks were cool in 1981...<img src="http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/facepalm.gif" border="0" alt="" title="facepalm" class="inlineimg" /></div>

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                        • #13
                          There is a small and extremely smart group of people here that realize the mid-level speakers that dcastar mentions should be the lowest end that anybody considers. They are all good quality and reliable speakers that will give the owner years of great sound. There are cheaper speakers out there but generally, the added quality and reliability that the mentioned speakers offer make them well worth the few extra dollars.


                          Yes; Thank You.
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                          • #14
                            There is a small and extremely smart group of people here that realize the mid-level speakers that dcastar mentions should be the lowest end that anybody considers. They are all good quality and reliable speakers that will give the owner years of great service. There are cheaper speakers out there but generally, the added quality and reliability that the mentioned speakers offer make them well worth the few extra dollars.


                            Except that isn't what I was asking.

                            He referred to them as low end, or rather "lower end," and I am trying to be VERY CAREFUL here. Honestly, I am not going to spend upwards of 6 grand on "low end" speakers. I would sooner keep what I have already than do that. While I don't have any illusions about this price point giving me high end quality (say 15K worth of speakers) I certainly don't intend to spend that kind of money on "low end" gear. If that's the case, I already have low end gear in my old JBL MR series speakers. And in their own way, they are actually pretty nice sounding. So, if all 6 grand is going to net me is relatively "low end" then I can honestly think about about a dozen things I would rather spend my money on.

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                            • #15
                              6 Grand is an acceptable budget for a good, quality, basic setup. (2 subs + 2 tops).

                              That price point is about the "sweet spot" in terms of Price v. Performance. Getting better performance, requires an even more costly monetary investment.
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