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  • yamaha dxr 12 or rcf hd 12a

    I have Been Using The Dxr 12 By Yamaha For Mains And They Sound Great ,but Im Will Be Moving Outdoors And Playing To 1,000 People This Summer...what Would Be The Next Step Up volume Output? In A 12 Inch Speaker

    Thanks


  • #2

    doscher222 wrote:

    what Would Be The Next Step Up volume Output?


    Three of them per side .


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    • zeddog666
      zeddog666 commented
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      I would look at QSC k12 or KW122.

       

      Hard to beat..


    • Bobby1Note
      Bobby1Note commented
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      or,,,,,,,,,,,

       

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    Your original post is somewhat lacking in detail.... What kind of music do you play? Is it a full band with mic'd kick drum? Are you using subs?

     

    Al

    <div class="signaturecontainer">KV2 KX12s - Yamaha DXR15s, RCF ART 310A , Yamaha DXR8 - Yamaha DXS12 subs, Wharfedale Titan 12 actives, Yamaha MG12/4 mixer X 2, Peavey PV10 mixer, Yorkville PGM8 mixer - Many Sony MD players (home and portable), Shure cordless microphone and a variety of LED lighting effects.</div>

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    • agedhorse
      agedhorse commented
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      The HD-12A is a pretty nice speaker, about 2x the maximum output (3dB greater) than the DXR in practice. That said, no way two of them would be suitable for 1000 people in any band configuration that I can think of. I would think 3 tops per side over 3 subs per side is about the minimum to cover 1000 people outside adequately and that would be pushing it IMO. Of course, it depends on the type of music as well as the necessary volume.


  • #4
    What is a kudos? I was trying to do a quote, oh well.

    Just read you have the DXR, Thinking it was a DSR. The next level ain't cheap. As Al mentioned, depends on your music, crowd and coverage area.
    1000 screaming-jumping teenage girls in front of the Foo Fighters vs a dualing banjo group. Stage front coverage or walk by peeps at something like a car show.
    <div class="signaturecontainer">I dont want to work, just beat on my drum all day!</div>

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    • #5
      Sorry Al, there are no drums . It's a trio .. Bass guitar ,acoustic guitar and hand percussion.
      We don't use subs . Out door shows will be in a field about 100 feet wide by 260 deep is the main area

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      • RoadRanger
        RoadRanger commented
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        doscher222 wrote:
        Sorry Al, there are no drums . It's a trio .. Bass guitar ,acoustic guitar and hand percussion.
        We don't use subs . Out door shows will be in a field about 100 feet wide by 260 deep is the main area

        So, no bass in the PA, even outdoors? How big a rig does the bass player have?


      • jonthomas
        jonthomas commented
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        doscher222 wrote:
        Sorry Al, there are no drums . It's a trio .. Bass guitar ,acoustic guitar and hand percussion.
        We don't use subs . Out door shows will be in a field about 100 feet wide by 260 deep is the main area

        How many shows are you doing?

        Buying gear to effectively cover that many people may not be worth it, l would look at rentals rom the local sound outfits or other bands in the area.

        You will want to be able to compete with any wind or crowd noise,  "especially" if any beer is being served at the event. It is amazing how little rig I  need without booze in the equation.

        If it is a respectful/sober crowd I have heard a pair of EV zxa5's cover an area of that size with that style of music. 

         


      • OneEng
        OneEng commented
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        doscher222 wrote:
        Sorry Al, there are no drums . It's a trio .. Bass guitar ,acoustic guitar and hand percussion.
        We don't use subs . Out door shows will be in a field about 100 feet wide by 260 deep is the main area

        What is your budget?

        I can't really give you an opinion without a budget, but I am going to do a little educated guess here that since you are looking into a "more powerful" 12" top, you are looking for a pair of speakers around $2000.00 for both.

        If I am right, then the best you are going to do is to get a pair of subs to go with your tops.  The subs I would recommend are the PRX618S-XLF's which run around $1300.00 each.

        My reasoning is this.  Your bass guitar is going to put lots of bottom into those 12" speakers.  The limit lights are going to come on because of this.  If you get the lows out of the tops, you will be able to get MUCH more volume out of your tops AND have a much better bottom as well.

        You should also consider geting an additional pair of DXR12's for the top making your setup 4 DXR12's over 2 PRX618S-XLF's.  With no kick drum in the mix, this will put quite a bit of sound out.  If you are used to having a single pair of 12" tops, then just the subs alone will provide you with a huge step up in sound.

        The guys here are correct that to cover an outside gig, you really need quite a bit of speakers.  For small outdoor gigs (100-200 people) I use 2 DSR112's, 2 CVA28's, 2 PRX 618S-XLFs and 2 CVA118's.  I play rock and have a full band, but that is about all I can cover outside without needing to rent more and better speakers.

        That same rig can cover ~500 people inside.


    • #6
      We have been running the bass thru the tops and it sounds good minus the super lows

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      • RoadRanger
        RoadRanger commented
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        doscher222 wrote:
        We have been running the bass thru the tops and it sounds good minus the super lows

        I'd suspect that ain't a gonna work out so well outdoors for 1000. AFAIK I'm the one here that has covered a crowd that size with the least rig and I had a pair of 127 db tops over a pair of 137 db subs. The tops were pretty solid in the red - not recommended. A pair of DXR12's (or single DSR112) over a serious 2x18 sub per side might do fine for your type of music outdoors - maybe you can rent a pair of SRX728S with an amp and crossover just for the big outdoor gigs?


      • agedhorse
        agedhorse commented
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        doscher222 wrote:
        We have been running the bass thru the tops and it sounds good minus the super lows

        Maybe inside in a small room low level. Outside is a whole different animal as you will soon discover...


    • #7
      I was thinking Along Those Lines...Thanks!

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      • Al Poulin
        Al Poulin commented
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        I would certainly consider renting a small line array type product/system  IF I felt my rig might not be able meet the required / expected SPL levels however.

         

        Al


    • #8
      Al has it right.

      2 DDR per side for inside

      Rent subs for outside
      With Greater Knowledge Comes Greater Understanding

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