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    Hey guys,
    I have a band, and we are currently looking for a good PA setup to start doing some shows. I want one we'll be able to keep for a while, so it needs to be powerful enough to be able to run larger shows with ease.
    I have an opportunity to buy a used Peavey Mark IV 16 channel mixer with a couple Peavey SP1 speakers.
    Are the speakers powerful enough to run some larger shows? Does the mixer have enough power? (I'm assuming it's a powered mixer because there is no power amp included) Also, would I be able to run monitors straight from the mixer? Or would I need some sort of amp setup to do that?
    Thank you much for all of your help. I'm new at this band thing, but I've always wanted to do it and any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks!

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    Hey guys,
    I have a band, and we are currently looking for a good PA setup to start doing some shows. I want one we'll be able to keep for a while, so it needs to be powerful enough to be able to run larger shows with ease.
    I have an opportunity to buy a used Peavey Mark IV 16 channel mixer with a couple Peavey SP1 speakers.
    Are the speakers powerful enough to run some larger shows? Does the mixer have enough power? (I'm assuming it's a powered mixer because there is no power amp included) Also, would I be able to run monitors straight from the mixer? Or would I need some sort of amp setup to do that?
    Thank you much for all of your help. I'm new at this band thing, but I've always wanted to do it and any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks!


    As somebody who owned both of those during the 80s, I will tell you - don't do it. The SP1 is a huge, horn-loaded monstrosity that is virtually useless in clubs - it's good for outdoor things and it has a fairly long throw.
    We had 4 SP1's and I hate the things. it was bad enough to have 1 pair of them, then our band acquired a second set.

    The Mk IV is not a powered mixer - they just aren't selling you amplification.
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    • #3
      sounds like you are looking at relics and you will never be happy with how large, old, heavy and underwhelming they are.

      if its what i think it is they were old in the early 90's and need amps.
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      • #4
        awesome. Thanks a lot guys! I'll keep my eye out for newer stuff.
        Thanks!

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        • #5
          I too had a set of SP1's with the added 12' horn driver cabinet back in the 80's. it was more than fantastic and even better when all the speakers were replaced with Electro Voice EVM's. tri-amped xover mono with 1 CS800 low end and 2 cs400's mid and high. had the Mark 4 board as well. the prior comment about it being no good in small clubs is not correct, we used them everywhere < 150 seat clubs all the way to the 500-600 indoor bigger clubs and at Cal Expo outdoor concert arena 2500+ and it sounded great in every venue. It does have extraordinary throw as far as projection which is great for those bigger venues. all instruments went direct so we were able to downsize the stage gear, one thing that is probably correct, it could way over kill the small places. with the proper eq and a good sound man these guys also sound good at moderate levels so you dont have to deafen those right in the front of the speakers. The biggest complaint then and probably forever is these guys are very bulky and heavy. the handles were put in a spot that required you to be at least 6'3" tall to get them off the ground. We eventually fixed that by sawing the top horn off and building a skeleton cab for the driver. so it became a 3 piece system (bottom, mid, horn) much easier to lift, pack and transport. I would say the SP1 with the mid cabinet that used to compliment the speaker (optional) stock sounded as loud and clear as Klipche LaScalla's, after the EV speaker upgrades, it could easily blow away the Klipche without breaking a sweat. Used them in the band for 8years and when I quit playing, I left all the pa stuff with singer to use "big mistake". Came back to claim it a year later and all of it was gone.... he went and got a portable system that was good for maybe a dining room and voice only, maybe topping out at 100db if you stuck your ear next to the speaker, forget about instruments or any low end. Other than a full out rig used by mainliners, I have not heard any band pa that costs at least 3x-4x more (Yamaha's JBL's Mackie etc) come close to handling the volume and clarity those bad boys put out. Peavey had a horrible rep back then as being know as the cheap'O entry level systems. Everywhere we went, people were amazed how they performed with very simple and relatively low cost modifications. Went from the side snickering "heh heh look at them with their toys" to "ohhhh wow.. " bi-amp them straight up stock and you will be amazed too, the x-over on a full range system screws up the sound pretty bad.

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          • #6
            I'm sure those SP-1 frankensteins sounded great... But if they did sound so great how come nobody's using them and how come Peavey doesn't make them any more. Ahhh, the good old days weren't as good as you may remember. Today's modern speakers (including Peavey's own) are lightyears ahead of the SP-1.

            The Mark IV board was Peavey's best attempt but had all kinds of problems due to the style of construction and they were pretty clunky too. Way better than the Mark III which was an embarrassment to the audio world. The Mark VIII was a pretty good board, but not viable at the price point and reputation Peavey earned at that time.

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              My band back in the 80's had the full rig on both sides, FB-01 bottom speaker (2 15' Black Widows each), SP-1,  MB-1 mid speaker, tweeter horn and high frequency radiator on top (looked like a TV UHF antennae!).  Sounded good to us but...Took 2 vans just to move the PA.  Also had Carvin mixer and 8 Carvin amps.  The weight of it all and the "killer" handles, ahhh!!!  Sold all but the SP-1's in the 90's, SP-1's sat in my garage until 2010, sold to a Church.  Peavey stopped making them as everything going smaller and more efficient.  Only thing is nothing today beats those two mountains of speakers on each side of the stage!  We looked like we knew what we were doing!  Miss the day and music, but not 1 ton of PA!


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            The Mark IV board was Peavey's best attempt but had all kinds of problems due to the style of construction and they were pretty clunky too. Way better than the Mark III which was an embarrassment to the audio world. The Mark VIII was a pretty good board, but not viable at the price point and reputation Peavey earned at that time.
            I've gotta pull the Mark II MC-16 out of the barn some day and see if it still works. I remember it being stupid big&heavy (or at least the case is) but quiet and reliable - gotta love that spring reverb :lol:!

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            • #8
              Quiet is a word I wouldn't use for any of those boards.

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              • #9
                Quiet is a word I wouldn't use for any of those boards.
                We also had a mixer for the 8 track Tascam that was way noisier - I remember it as a Carver but could have been a Carvin or something else - it was an 8 bus mixer made specifically for 8 track recording. Any of you "experienced" guys remember a mixer like that? The Peavey has transformer inputs and outputs if i remember correctly. The "recording mixer" had op-amp inputs that were really noisy :freak:.

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                • #10
                  Only the monitor console had transformers on the split out IIRC. Good attempt but only fair execution.

                  Carvin made an 8 track mixer for recording. Ugh.

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                  • #11
                    I too had a set of SP1's with the added 12' horn driver cabinet back in the 80's. it was more than fantastic and even better when all the speakers were replaced with Electro Voice EVM's. tri-amped xover mono with 1 CS800 low end and 2 cs400's mid and high. had the Mark 4 board as well. the prior comment about it being no good in small clubs is not correct, we used them everywhere < 150 seat clubs all the way to the 500-600 indoor bigger clubs and at Cal Expo outdoor concert arena 2500+ and it sounded great in every venue. It does have extraordinary throw as far as projection which is great for those bigger venues. all instruments went direct so we were able to downsize the stage gear, one thing that is probably correct, it could way over kill the small places. with the proper eq and a good sound man these guys also sound good at moderate levels so you dont have to deafen those right in the front of the speakers. The biggest complaint then and probably forever is these guys are very bulky and heavy. the handles were put in a spot that required you to be at least 6'3" tall to get them off the ground. We eventually fixed that by sawing the top horn off and building a skeleton cab for the driver. so it became a 3 piece system (bottom, mid, horn) much easier to lift, pack and transport. I would say the SP1 with the mid cabinet that used to compliment the speaker (optional) stock sounded as loud and clear as Klipche LaScalla's, after the EV speaker upgrades, it could easily blow away the Klipche without breaking a sweat. Used them in the band for 8years and when I quit playing, I left all the pa stuff with singer to use "big mistake". Came back to claim it a year later and all of it was gone.... he went and got a portable system that was good for maybe a dining room and voice only, maybe topping out at 100db if you stuck your ear next to the speaker, forget about instruments or any low end. Other than a full out rig used by mainliners, I have not heard any band pa that costs at least 3x-4x more (Yamaha's JBL's Mackie etc) come close to handling the volume and clarity those bad boys put out. Peavey had a horrible rep back then as being know as the cheap'O entry level systems. Everywhere we went, people were amazed how they performed with very simple and relatively low cost modifications. Went from the side snickering "heh heh look at them with their toys" to "ohhhh wow.. " bi-amp them straight up stock and you will be amazed too, the x-over on a full range system screws up the sound pretty bad.



                    Then your idea of what quality sound in a smaller club should be, is quite different from mine. Horn loaded boxes are rotten in places where the back wall is less than 50' away from the stage. The bass always sounded muddy, it didn't go very low - the 15" Horn loaded segment of the SP1/FH1 was HORRIBLE (so in effect, what you had was a modified version of the Project II - which we had as well at one point) and it was definitely was NOT a "Sub". Sure it would pound, but it just wasn't a pleasant sound.
                    Now, maybe because you replaced the speakers with EV's you had better luck with it, but I was using the stock Black Widow's that came in them, and it simply was not a pleasing sound at all to me. In fact, that rig completely turned me against horn loaded cabinets - I thought it was so bad that I would never even consider horn-loaded cabinets again.

                    Give me a front-loaded rig every time!
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                    • #12
                      Give me a front-loaded rig every time!


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                      • #13
                        I'm sure those SP-1 frankensteins sounded great... But if they did sound so great how come nobody's using them and how come Peavey doesn't make them any more. Ahhh, the good old days weren't as good as you may remember. Today's modern speakers (including Peavey's own) are lightyears ahead of the SP-1.

                        The Mark IV board was Peavey's best attempt but had all kinds of problems due to the style of construction and they were pretty clunky too. Way better than the Mark III which was an embarrassment to the audio world. The Mark VIII was a pretty good board, but not viable at the price point and reputation Peavey earned at that time.

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                        they were way too heavy even back then, with the girley men nowadays, it would surely take at least 2 to move one just cabinet now. if you can find the spec's on the stock cabinet with the additional MB2 mid range I'd be surprised to compare the spectrum stats and db output etc.. not much has changed as far as speaker technology in 30 years.

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                          Then your idea of what quality sound in a smaller club should be, is quite different from mine. Horn loaded boxes are rotten in places where the back wall is less than 50' away from the stage. The bass always sounded muddy, it didn't go very low - the 15" Horn loaded segment of the SP1/FH1 was HORRIBLE (so in effect, what you had was a modified version of the Project II - which we had as well at one point) and it was definitely was NOT a "Sub". Sure it would pound, but it just wasn't a pleasant sound.
                          Now, maybe because you replaced the speakers with EV's you had better luck with it, but I was using the stock Black Widow's that came in them, and it simply was not a pleasing sound at all to me. In fact, that rig completely turned me against horn loaded cabinets - I thought it was so bad that I would never even consider horn-loaded cabinets again.

                          Give me a front-loaded rig every time!


                          right sound man, right use for the gear, (sp1 was never intended or meant to be a sub woofer) = the right outcome.

                          currently have 4 Yamaha S115v's with 2 mackie 1400 watt power amps, no sub woofer, the 4 speakers do not come close to what the Peavey's did.

                          Not go horn loaded again? since you mention the "sub sounds" most of the high end and professional gear today use the folded horn or port design, rarely are they direct radiating. hmmm...

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                            Not go horn loaded again? since you mention the "sub sounds" most of the high end and professional gear today use the folded horn or port design,...



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