Members Dogoth Posted December 15, 2014 Members Share Posted December 15, 2014 I amazes me the gall (and the stupidity) some people have. Late Thursday night I was perusing this very forum from our stage office just before ending my shift. The door was closed. Our management has in it's infinite wisdom decided that it's too costly to leave the work lights on so the house & stage are VERY dark (I've recommended a ghost lite but to no avail). I hear noises on stage so I investigate thinking it's property security (no big thing but I like to know anyway). Some fellow is upstage of the back curtain line where we store gear with his cell phone lite on. I ask him what he's doing. He gives me some nefarious story about advancing a show coming in a few months. I know he's full of it but I turn on the work lites and ask "How did you get into the room?" (as it's locked to the public). He found the one unlockable door from a kitchen/bar where waitresses serve from. I explain that he shouldn't go poking around dark stages without permission because he might get hit with a baseball bat (I'm not threatening - just being pragmatic :-) and that he should leave. I boot him out and immediately call security, tell my story and ask for extra pass throughs. The next day we secure the smaller theftable items. That night (really 6AM the next morning) this guy finds a cart in the same kitchen, takes a path to the stage that HAD to have been pre-planed, turns on the work lights and loads up two 18" MRX subs. He then takes the same circuitous rout out and carts them THROUGH THE CASINO, loads them into his car and drives away (the cart was found in the parking lot). Much of this is recorded on video. Hopes are high that we catch this guy. I will happily testify in court as I remember this guys face well (I was suspicious so I made a GOOD mental note). Except for the legal implications, I wish I had used the baseball bat (he was a wimp - one good swing would have taken him down :-). The stupidity of management and the gall of a determined thief. Locks are now on those doors and the work lights stay on :-). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted December 15, 2014 Members Share Posted December 15, 2014 Damn, that sucks. Hope they get the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 15, 2014 Members Share Posted December 15, 2014 Folks often laugh at me when I am a hard-ass about security. It's so easy to take the lazy way out of things, like not being proactive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shaster Posted December 15, 2014 Members Share Posted December 15, 2014 If you figured the cost of running the work lights, over the entire life of that casino, I reckon the cost wouldn't be anywhere near what the subs were. Penny wise, and pound foolish. Seems to be a trend these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kalina2 Posted December 15, 2014 Members Share Posted December 15, 2014 why would he need subs ?!want to insert them in the door of his car ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted December 15, 2014 CMS Author Share Posted December 15, 2014 why would he need subs ?! want to insert them in the door of his car ?! People will steal anything. I'm always amazed by what's passed up on the way to stealing something seemingly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kalina2 Posted December 15, 2014 Members Share Posted December 15, 2014 I think a model of honesty was Germany's 80 years ....I was there and I saw on the streets of small towns decorative fences (15-20 cm) of them were bushes with huge strawberries, no one tore these berries because it's the wrong thing ..... before small shops were boxes drinks (out of sight of the seller), the buyer went to the store to pay the cost of two bottles of drink and leaving the store took two bottles from the box, not three or five bottles .... the seller did not control, he knew that people make honest .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members abzurd Posted December 15, 2014 Members Share Posted December 15, 2014 I know people will steal stupid things, but sub-woofers are VERY stupid unless you have an application for them yourself. They aren't easy to move, have a very limited market, and will sit in a pawn shop for months or years, making it pretty easy to find. If they show up on Craigslist it will also be easy to identify versus microphones, stands, etc. Pound for pound just silly. A friend of mine had 1/2 a roll of quarters stolen from his car last week in their driveway (left it unlocked). They rummaged through the various compartments, but didn't take the $100 pair of sunglasses, gift cards, or other small, and more valuable items. Just the $5 in quarters. odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members monthlymixcd Posted December 15, 2014 Members Share Posted December 15, 2014 I'm sure that he intended to steal much more than the subs... or maybe not even the subs, but once jrble locked up the smaller items that's all the thief wanted or cared about or could lift. Kudos for being PROACTIVE on that front... even if the management wasn't. Ya' know, with the minuscule amount of energy that LED bulbs take these days... keeping a light or two on is a no-brainer. Thieves are opportunists... a dark room is an opportunity. It also helps to have a thief's/shoplifter's brain... I do (for whatever reason) and it's helped me on MANY occasions prevent loss in various jobs I've held. I've also watched video of thieves/shoplifters and they are often SO dumb... it's almost as if they want to get caught. FYI - The best way to shoplift undetected is to actually BUY something. Very seldom does security harass a customer. Off-topic - This being the holiday season and all, I talk frequently with my PD friends that do plain clothes security at the mall and big box stores ($25/hr. to walk around and drink coffee... lol) and I'm shocked at how many of the major retailers have a "don't stop/don't engage" policy with their employees re: shoplifters most of the year... due to concerns over personal injury liability or discriminatory security enforcement, I would presume... but hire off-duty cops during December. Old Navy, Famous Footwear, Gap, American Eagle, Barnes & Noble, etc. Further Off-Topic - I work for a mid-western municipality and currently manage a rent-assisted high-rise for the elderly and disabled as part of my day job, and we have a guy here that should really be in secured assisted living, but we can't get him committed... he's only 65, but a hard-life 65 and he has no family, he's almost completely deaf, partially blind, and he can only walk with a walker and a hip brace that restricts his movement to a snail's pace. Well, last week he broke out of his pattern of dumpster-diving for cans and bottles and SOMEHOW made it out to the Wal-Mart on the edge of town, brought his own big black plastic trash bag with him, opened it on the seat of his walker and slowly and methodically filled it with 172 DVDs from the electronics dept. and then pushed it (VERY slowly, mind you) past the registers up front and out the door where the arresting officer who had to be standing/walking behind him the entire time (I've got to get my hands on that security video) noted in the arrest report that he didn't bother cuffing him since he could barely move and really wasn't a risk for running away. More sad than funny, since we were supposed to review his rent assistance status tonight with our housing commission (who is determined not to throw him out in the cold, as am I) but he's sitting 2 blocks away in jail and won't make the hearing. That 172 DVDs btw = over $1700 in value which make his offense a Class 2 felony... so instead of him being locked up in Manor Care eating lime jello, he's locked up in the county jail eating lime jello, but with a felony on his record... Merry Christmas ineffective mental health care system. :-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nchangin Posted December 15, 2014 Members Share Posted December 15, 2014 I wonder how they determine the value of those subs from a court perspective to determine if that would be a felonious charge in your jurisdiction.... Two MRX (assume 518's) street value probably less than 400 each sub....just a guess. The wholesale value (pawn/trade in value) probably 200 each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted December 15, 2014 CMS Author Share Posted December 15, 2014 I wonder how they determine the value of those subs from a court perspective to determine if that would be a felonious charge in your jurisdiction.... Two MRX (assume 518's) street value probably less than 400 each sub....just a guess. The wholesale value (pawn/trade in value) probably 200 each. http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01316.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Telecruiser Posted December 15, 2014 Members Share Posted December 15, 2014 Motion sensing floods would do the trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shaster Posted December 15, 2014 Members Share Posted December 15, 2014 I'm sure that he intended to steal much more than the subs... or maybe not even the subs' date=' but once jrble locked up the smaller items that's all the thief wanted or cared about or could lift. Kudos for being PROACTIVE on that front... even if the management wasn't. Further Off-Topic - I work for a mid-western municipality and currently manage a rent-assisted high-rise for the elderly and disabled as part of my day job, and we have a guy here that should really be in secured assisted living, but we can't get him committed... he's only 65, but a hard-life 65 and he has no family, he's almost completely deaf, partially blind, and he can only walk with a walker and a hip brace that restricts his movement to a snail's pace. Well, last week he broke out of his pattern of dumpster-diving for cans and bottles and SOMEHOW made it out to the Wal-Mart on the edge of town, brought his own big black plastic trash bag with him, opened it on the seat of his walker and slowly and methodically filled it with 172 DVDs from the electronics dept. and then pushed it (VERY slowly, mind you) past the registers up front and out the door where the arresting officer who had to be standing/walking behind him the entire time (I've got to get my hands on that security video) noted in the arrest report that he didn't bother cuffing him since he could barely move and really wasn't a risk for running away. More sad than funny, since we were supposed to review his rent assistance status tonight with our housing commission (who is determined not to throw him out in the cold, as am I) but he's sitting 2 blocks away in jail and won't make the hearing. That 172 DVDs btw = over $1700 in value which make his offense a Class 2 felony... so instead of him being locked up in Manor Care eating lime jello, he's locked up in the county jail eating lime jello, but with a felony on his record... Merry Christmas ineffective mental health care system. :-\ Had a similar situation with my mother's apartment. She and the residents kept complaining about this old guy who should have been in assisted living or maybe a nursing home, but the management company wouldn't do a thing - claimed it wasn't their resonsibility! Eventually she called the health authoritiy and pleaded her case. The other day, two cop cars, a fire truck, an ambulance and the mental health authority showed up. The old guy's place was so bad, they had to put on gloves and booties. Apparently one fireman went in and rushed back out gasping, the smell is so bad I can't take it. This was an ongoing problem and should have been solved a year or more ago. Now they'll have to clean and paint the apartment, put in new rugs and so on. Not taking prompt action, is going to cost more money than if management had just done the right thing in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trevcda Posted December 15, 2014 Members Share Posted December 15, 2014 A casino where you can wheel out two large subs through the lobby and security doesn't bat an eyelash? Somebody call Danny Ocean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crownman Posted December 16, 2014 Members Share Posted December 16, 2014 A casino where you can wheel out two large subs through the lobby and security doesn't bat an eyelash? Somebody call Danny Ocean... I had the same thought. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dogoth Posted December 19, 2014 Author Members Share Posted December 19, 2014 Although it took them a while they have good pictures of the guy carting the speakers out the door. Also a pic of his car (no license # :-(. I'm absolutely sure it's the guy I saw the previous night. This is a pretty small town. Unless they went out of state (possible), they may show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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