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  • Not using DL1608 Mackie for this show and why

    I'm doing sound for the 8th year for a senior's variety show. Two years ago they built a brand new clubhouse and put crown amps, EAW speakers flown and a Presonus 24.4.2 digital mixer. Mixer's located in the sound/light booth. It's a bit hard to tell how loud things are up there, so I was considering using my Mackie DL1608 mixer and using the ipad from on the floor. After a couple of rehearsals, It would work, but not being able to see all the necessary channels at the same time is a issue. It's just that with all the changes needed with every performer, being able to see all the channels at the same time is a real help. Don't get me wrong, the Mackie is everything I expected when I purchased it, and more has been added since. (Software upgrades.) I'm fairly familiar with the StudioLive mixer. (Enough to not want to connect my laptop to their mixer and force a firmware update.) Just thought you would like to know why.

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    Hang onto your DL 1608. A friend of mine just mixed gig with 15 inputs using a DL 1608 and this http://audiomixingplatform.com/ he had all channels on his laptop screen at the same time and also on a real fader pack. It is in beta now but it is coming.
    Last edited by fdew; 05-04-2014, 06:48 PM.
    http://LBPinc.com/di

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    • #3
      Interesting -- third party apps for other mixers. I'd seen Air Fader for the LS9 but wasn't away of this one. Probably more out there as well I'd assume.
      ...dave

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      • #4
        Let's see hor long term stability works out... even the original manufacturers have had their challenges.
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        • #5
          I like the DL1608. It's just in this case the Studiolive is there and the remote mixing of the Mackie isn't much of an advantage. Will look at that software. I'd be willing to pay for some good software that used my MacBook for control. Third party apps might just give this mixer a longer software life then Mackie will. I am concerned about finding out when Mackie will stop development of Master Fader. MicroSoft has dropped support for XP but they had huge incentives to support that for a long time. (Large installed base.) Mackie doesn't have any of that. (Least not that I can see.) On the other hand, Mackie's Master Fader could be used for future mixer models with little or slight software changes. It's a nice interface for a small mixer.

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          • #6
            I wonder if maybe just maybe someday the digital mixers will have a VGA port for a widescreen monitor and.or external touch screen monitor as they come down in price?

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            • #7
              VGA is a dying interface without bidirectional control, so unlikely.
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              Currently product development engineer: Mesa Boogie

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              • #8
                Originally posted by nchangin View Post
                I wonder if maybe just maybe someday the digital mixers will have a VGA port for a widescreen monitor and.or external touch screen monitor as they come down in price?
                I like the concept. Probably would end up being HDMI. Right now that's the only interface that looks like it has a future for at least 10 years. We could also hope that Apple will start making Maxi-Ipads. (Couldn't resist that, but the concept is what I was looking for.) The ipad is a good size, but for some who are going to tablets instead of computers, (Laptops....whatever.) a larger screen type would be worthwhile and a better working surface for controlling other devices.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by nchangin View Post
                  I wonder if maybe just maybe someday the digital mixers will have a VGA port for a widescreen monitor and.or external touch screen monitor as they come down in price?
                  The newer Phonic mixers have VGA and a mouse port. Many high-end digital mixers do too.

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                  • #10
                    Or HDMI as Wynn said, could be display port to probably a better fit for digital applications in future. RR: tech is already here I see, Nice.

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                    • #11
                      I have thought for some time that the best compromise between the needed controls and cost would be at least 17 real faders, buttons for mute, solo, and select above the faders, and a wide touch screen above that for everything else.
                      http://LBPinc.com/di

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by fdew View Post
                        I have thought for some time that the best compromise between the needed controls and cost would be at least 17 real faders, buttons for mute, solo, and select above the faders, and a wide touch screen above that for everything else.
                        Yup, agreed. I can definitely see a benefit in keeping the faders physical but even the mute/solo/select "could" be virtual if need be. Then of course put the remotely controlled preamps on stage with a cat5 snake. In theory you could reach the point where the layout of the virtual controls could be customizable such that you could mix and match ideas/concepts from different manufacturers and set up your own workflow. If I remember correctly the third party AirFader app for the LS9 allowed certain such customizations. That's a ways out and I'd guess that the manufacturers designs would still dominate but it's all possible -- in theory.

                        Ten years ago users of our data at my day job were very happy with visualization via a static X/Y time/value plot. Now they expect a map interface of sites located geographically near wherever they happen to be at that moment with dynamic popup zoom/panable graphs for each site -- all on their phone of course. We're even exploring a crowd-sourcing approach whereby users can take a picture of an event and text/email it to us (with geographic coordinates included) to share with others and in the process help improve our estimates and data-collection. Why should pro/MI audio be all that different -- well, other than market size of course. There are a lot more cell phones out there than audio consoles -- but still...
                        ...dave

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dbMontana View Post
                          . There are a lot more cell phones out there than audio consoles -- but still...
                          The "but still" is about money, which is why I have no confidence any 3rd-party support for tablet mixer apps will be around for long. Support is costly enough that as technology moves along the "old" stuff gets left at the wayside.
                          "If you don't know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else" - Yogi Berra, 1925-2015

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                          • #14
                            The beauty of programming for a tablet, is that you don't have to re-invent the interface. A solid dependable interface is a much easier place to start from. I also suspect that the mackie's controls aren't encrypting everything to the n'th degree. (Probably end up being a bit easy to hack or design a third party control for.)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dbMontana View Post
                              In theory you could reach the point where the layout of the virtual controls could be customizable such that you could mix and match ideas/concepts from different manufacturers and set up your own workflow.
                              The software I mentioned earlier allows exactly that. http://audiomixingplatform.com/ The API is open so you can change the look and feel. The screen shots shown at the bottom are just examples.
                              http://LBPinc.com/di

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