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  • Qu-16 should I get one?

    So I'm completely fed up with my DL1608 and the constant connectivity issues. I also miss the multi-tracking of my SL, which I still own, but is clunky to hook up to record and remotely mix with. The Qu-16 appears to be an SL on steriods. It can multi-track record and do remote mixing without a computer, has the "fat channel" attribute of the SL, plus better EFX, more auxes, fully parametric EQ, small touch screen built in, and flying faders .... plus the Allen & Heath name. The only "stupid" I see in it is the 3 LED input indicators, but the remote app has full metering.

    I refuse to even consider Behringer so that narrows the field considerably. The Soundcraft Expression is too spendy for the features. The QSC is still vaporware.

    So any owners of the Qu-16 or 24 out there? Have you been happy with it? Considering the price has dropped to $1,600 on the street I'm seriously considering.
    PA: JBL PRX712, PRX718XLF, RCF 745-A, 522-A, 310A, A&H Qu-16
    Lights: AMDJ Dotz TPAR, Haze Generator, Chauvet GigBAR
    www.nextexitrocks.com | wedding band | Columbus, OH | VIDEO

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    abzurd -- a local fellow SE has one and I got to use it hands-on very briefly but watched him mix a show and I have to say I liked it very much. It's been a while so I can't comment on some of the nuances of workflow but I do remember I was able to work the console pretty much right away. I think it has the best touchscreen interface out there right now -- touch to select then one knob to adjust -- but that's just my personal preference. That said, being hard limited to 16 channels with no expansion option seems a serious limitation for the $$.
    ...dave

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    • #3
      Thanks. I hear you about the inputs, but I'll always want a 19" rack mount and don't see myself in a situation where I really need more than 16 channels. There are also 3 Stereo inputs so there's a bit of flexibility there to squeeze out a bit more functionality or hooking up a sub mixer. The biggest knock other than the lack of metering is the size of the mixer. I recently bought a rolling rack from Audiopile and this sucker will barely fit. It's 11U and a little over 7" deep in the back. I'd like to keep it pre-wired with a few patch snakes and the wireless mics, but I'm not sure it's going to work. I'll also be on the cusp of too deep as far as fitting gear under it.
      PA: JBL PRX712, PRX718XLF, RCF 745-A, 522-A, 310A, A&H Qu-16
      Lights: AMDJ Dotz TPAR, Haze Generator, Chauvet GigBAR
      www.nextexitrocks.com | wedding band | Columbus, OH | VIDEO

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      • #4
        I'll only state that I completely understand your desire to replace the DL....
        .....

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        • #5
          In a word "YES".
          I love mine. I love everything about it. 19" rack mount was a must for me too and don't forget it is actually 22 channels if you include st1, st2 and st3. Also, I believe If you choose to get the D Snake (which I have not yet), those extra channels become XLR's.
          BTW - I purchased mine when it was $2500 and it was worth every penny IMO.

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          • #6
            And so it's done!
            PA: JBL PRX712, PRX718XLF, RCF 745-A, 522-A, 310A, A&H Qu-16
            Lights: AMDJ Dotz TPAR, Haze Generator, Chauvet GigBAR
            www.nextexitrocks.com | wedding band | Columbus, OH | VIDEO

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            • #7
              Abzurd,

              I have fiddled with one a while, but no real world mixing.

              I LOVED the built in multi-track recording to USB drive feature. The efx are top notch. I am not sure that you can get much better sound than this at any price. It feels very solid to the touch. It was very intuitive and didn't take me long at all to quickly navigate.

              As you pointed out, the 3 LED channel strips are pitiful. No subgroups, no DCA's and no matrix mix buses.

              You can't expand beyond 16 channels .... but as you point out, you don't need to.... and the 3 stereo returns can be used creatively for a few inputs as well.

              The remote app has gotten better, but it still doesn't allow all features of the console to be controlled. I fiddled around with this at home on my iPad mini. It is OK. I liked the mini horizontal sliders for controls vs the round knob controls on my X32 Rack. The 2 custom layers were also really nice. I just can't get past the lack of DCA's or subgroups Sean. I have gotten so used to being able to control all vocals on a DCA and the drums on a DCA. The UI was pretty intuitive and without any instructions I was able to get around in just a few minutes of poking around. It DOES have remote recall-able gains which will be a nice addition over your DL1608.

              I don't know about the connectivity with it though. It kind of seems like the people that purchase this mixer (and the Soundcraft SI as well) tend to be "hands on physical knobs" kinds of guys. I would do some searching around to see if anyone using this mixer has had any issues with their wifi connection.

              It is going to be quite a bit bigger (and heavier) than your DL1608 ..... but it sure is purdy!

              I think it is a step up from the DL1608. The head amps and efx alone would make it a worthy upgrade IMHO.

              Of course, I still prefer my X32 Rack, but I respect your disdain for Behringer.
              With Greater Knowledge Comes Greater Understanding

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              • #8
                I'm used to my StudioLive and like the tactile part of that. Most of my adjustments at shows were walking back to the docked ipad anyway. The remote mixing is nice, but I'm the front man in the band so it's not like I'm out in the crowd mixing the whole show. This gives me the best of both worlds. I won't need to buy another backup for the ipad1 that was going to be obsolete with the next DL update. I don't feel the need for 2 ipads when there's a physical surface.

                It just all kind of hit me yesterday. Prices have come down several hundred dollars on the Qu-16, my StudioLive hasn't been powered up for a year and the DL just isn't cutting it. Selling the other 2 mixers will pay for the other, or maybe I'll keep the DL as a backup.... they problem is I can't trust the backup. Currently I have a 12 channel 12 yr old Carvin mixer in a backup tote that goes with us to every show and for important gigs sits in it's briefcase next to the drummer. It won't be pretty if it has to be used, but it will be fast.
                PA: JBL PRX712, PRX718XLF, RCF 745-A, 522-A, 310A, A&H Qu-16
                Lights: AMDJ Dotz TPAR, Haze Generator, Chauvet GigBAR
                www.nextexitrocks.com | wedding band | Columbus, OH | VIDEO

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                • #9
                  I forgot about no subgroups, ughhh -- the was my friend's biggest complaint about the unit. I use one each on the SL for drums and vocals so I can compress the vocal group if needed and that doesn't get sent to the monitors like channel compression does. I could/would use a DCA for drums if I had it available but a group works ok. I agree the QU-16 was easy to transition to and sounded great.
                  ...dave

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                  • #10
                    Although I liked subgroups on my SL, I used it more as a novelty than anything else (EFX returns, and double tracking of the snare) so not really a big deal for me. It's possible it will be added one way or another down the road. Like they could route an aux to the mains and use it as a subgroup.
                    PA: JBL PRX712, PRX718XLF, RCF 745-A, 522-A, 310A, A&H Qu-16
                    Lights: AMDJ Dotz TPAR, Haze Generator, Chauvet GigBAR
                    www.nextexitrocks.com | wedding band | Columbus, OH | VIDEO

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                    • #11
                      You can hard-wire a subgroup Abzurd. Just take a stereo send out to the stereo input. You could get at least 2 subgroups that way on the Qu 16.

                      Also, I use my iPad Mini on a mic stand holder (clips onto my vocal mic stand). That puts the mixer right in front of me for quick adjustments at the gig without even turning around.

                      Have you had a recent rash of issues with your connection?
                      With Greater Knowledge Comes Greater Understanding

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by OneEng View Post
                        You can hard-wire a subgroup Abzurd. Just take a stereo send out to the stereo input. You could get at least 2 subgroups that way on the Qu 16.

                        Also, I use my iPad Mini on a mic stand holder (clips onto my vocal mic stand). That puts the mixer right in front of me for quick adjustments at the gig without even turning around.

                        Have you had a recent rash of issues with your connection?
                        Thanks for the tip on the subgroup. I use an ipad on a mic stand but stopped doing it with it in front of me after seeing some video of myself on stage. It's actually less distracting to keep it to the side of the stage and give the appearance I'm giving room to the guitar or bass player during solos. It also keeps it out of reach so I'm not constantly screwing around with it, when most of the time the changes I'm making aren't really needed.

                        The connection problems aren't recent. They've plagued me for the year I've had the DL.

                        Oh, and this forum text box is just awful. It took 3 tries to type this as any going back and editing deletes whole paragraphs or moves them around randomly.... sheesh.
                        PA: JBL PRX712, PRX718XLF, RCF 745-A, 522-A, 310A, A&H Qu-16
                        Lights: AMDJ Dotz TPAR, Haze Generator, Chauvet GigBAR
                        www.nextexitrocks.com | wedding band | Columbus, OH | VIDEO

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                        • #13
                          I'll be looking forward to your pros vs cons product review if you buy one.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by twostone View Post
                            I'll be looking forward to your pros vs cons product review if you buy one.
                            I purchased last night. They don't have it in stock and A&H won't drop ship so I won't have until the end of next week, but couldn't pass up the price and it's a place I buy from fairly regularly.
                            PA: JBL PRX712, PRX718XLF, RCF 745-A, 522-A, 310A, A&H Qu-16
                            Lights: AMDJ Dotz TPAR, Haze Generator, Chauvet GigBAR
                            www.nextexitrocks.com | wedding band | Columbus, OH | VIDEO

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                            • #15
                              I'll be following your progress and reviews. I use a Studiolive 16.4.2 and relatively happy with the unit. It's in it's 5th year of steady gigging and I do have one encoder that has stopped working. I'd love to have recallable preamp settings but don't want to trade the meter bridge. I don't really care too much about motorized faders but they'd be a nice to have as well. I'll be lurking in the wings to see how this goes. I too have a bunch of mixers I could sell-off to pay for something to take me the next 5 years.....
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