Members Stingray5 Posted March 24, 2014 Members Share Posted March 24, 2014 I bought a Studio Live 16.4.02, last summer to replace my Behringer Xenx XL1600. The left main on the Behringer has an intermittent problem, some times it works and some times it don't ! Question? Get it fixed, keep it for a back up or leave it as is and pan everything right and run mono. Or donate it to some bingo parlor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tomm Williams Posted March 24, 2014 Members Share Posted March 24, 2014 Do you have a local shop that could give an estimate for repair ? Compare the cost of repair to the cost of replacement. What do those units go for used? It might come in handy for something, you should carry a back up board anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nchangin Posted March 24, 2014 Members Share Posted March 24, 2014 Trade up on equip you need is what I do with old gear that collects dust. Even if you repair will you ever trust it again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted March 24, 2014 CMS Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 Using that as a backup is sortof like using a tire with a slow leak as your spare tire. I wouldn't trust it not to develop another problem just when you really need something to get through the show. I agree with nchangin that trusting it would be a problem even if you had it repaired. Those mixers seem to have a lot of soldering or other connection issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 24, 2014 Members Share Posted March 24, 2014 The cost of a proper estimate might exceed the value of the mixer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted March 24, 2014 Members Share Posted March 24, 2014 Whack it with a sledgehammer until both outputs behave the same philthumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wesg Posted March 24, 2014 Members Share Posted March 24, 2014 My take? Open it up and look for obvious problems. If you don't find one, put it up on Craig's list -- and include the problem description in your listing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JV90 Posted March 24, 2014 Members Share Posted March 24, 2014 It's very easy to open it up and look, maybe it's a bad soldier joint(soldadura, I don't know the translate word for it, but you understand), Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JV90 Posted March 24, 2014 Members Share Posted March 24, 2014 It's very easy to open it up and look, maybe it's a bad soldier joint(soldadura, I don't know the translate word for it, but you understand), Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 24, 2014 Members Share Posted March 24, 2014 Unlikely to be an easy, obvious problem IME. There are maybe 10,000 solder joints in that mixer, speculating on which one is more like the odds of winning a lottery (if it even is a solder joint). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crownman Posted March 24, 2014 Members Share Posted March 24, 2014 I agree with throwing up on Craigslist or something. List it honestly and you can probably get some cash for it from someone using it for practices or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stingray5 Posted March 24, 2014 Author Members Share Posted March 24, 2014 Whack it with a sledgehammer until both outputs behave the same philthumb. That has crossed my mind! Baseball season is here! Maybe I can charge dollar a Whack. k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members twostone Posted March 24, 2014 Members Share Posted March 24, 2014 Donate it to a church Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wesg Posted March 25, 2014 Members Share Posted March 25, 2014 I was thinking the obvious places to look would be any ribbon cables, the main bus pots, and the main XLRs. Although it might be possible to rule the latter two out without even opening the mixer, assuming you can get it to act up while it's on the bench. Beyond that...I probably wouldn't waste my time, and I don't charge myself much! Actually, if you can get it to act up reliably, you might be able to use one of the other busses as the main bus, if the problem is isolated to the main bus. Hmm, I'll open the bidding at $30. Wes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members abzurd Posted March 25, 2014 Members Share Posted March 25, 2014 Put it on Craigslist before it goes out entirely. There are reviews from all corners of the internet talking about channels going out so even if you do fix it, it seems likely something else will fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stingray5 Posted March 25, 2014 Author Members Share Posted March 25, 2014 Main B Left and right work fine, Looking at the schematic I'm wondering if it might be the relay? The reason I say this is B L&R are taken right before the relay which feeds the Main -A L&R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stingray5 Posted March 25, 2014 Author Members Share Posted March 25, 2014 All said and done though! I don't like riding on leaky tires! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 25, 2014 Members Share Posted March 25, 2014 Main B Left and right work fine, Looking at the schematic I'm wondering if it might be the relay? The reason I say this is B L&R are taken right before the relay which feeds the Main -A L&R. B is also taken before the insert jacks. Have you checked the obvious first (before taking it apart and looking at all those parts and scratching your head in wonder, awe and puzzlement)? Cycle the inserts with 1/4" plugs and see if that resolves the problems. 100x less likely that it has anything to do with the relays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John DiNicola Posted March 25, 2014 Members Share Posted March 25, 2014 Dear Stingray5, Sorry to hear about your XL1600. If you would like information on getting the unit repaired, please feel free to contact our CARE department. You can reach them at CARE@music-group.com or at 702-800-8290 in the US. Please let me know if I can help Best, John DiNicola Manager, Channel Marketing MUSIC Group BEHRINGER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stingray5 Posted March 27, 2014 Author Members Share Posted March 27, 2014 B is also taken before the insert jacks. Have you checked the obvious first (before taking it apart and looking at all those parts and scratching your head in wonder, awe and puzzlement)? Cycle the inserts with 1/4" plugs and see if that resolves the problems. 100x less likely that it has anything to do with the relays. Excellent. It never occurred to me the Inserts being the culprit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 27, 2014 Members Share Posted March 27, 2014 Excellent. It never occurred to me the Inserts being the culprit. Did that take care of your problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dogoth Posted March 27, 2014 Members Share Posted March 27, 2014 My take? Open it up and look for obvious problems. If you don't find one, put it up on Craig's list -- and include the problem description in your listing. That would be my recommendation as well. Our A/V department owns many "B" mixers (most with some issue or another). I have been asked to repair them from time to time. I found that the op amps used for the channel strips are special order (gotta buy 10k minimum). Obviously they didn't get fixed. Also I don't know that exact mixer but a lot of their gear is surface mount design which is a pain to troubleshoot and repair. For the most part they are throw aways. That's my .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 27, 2014 Members Share Posted March 27, 2014 Almost all parts in their mixer lines are surface mount. I've got plenty of op-amps of all types. Thousands (you've seen my parts stock JR). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stingray5 Posted March 27, 2014 Author Members Share Posted March 27, 2014 Did that take care of your problem? Not yet I'll get on it today.I'll let ya know how goes .Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stingray5 Posted March 27, 2014 Author Members Share Posted March 27, 2014 Whack it with a sledgehammer until both outputs behave the same philthumb. I have to chuckle every time read this! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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