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Extending Your Gigging Years: Why Grandpa Still Plays Out


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For a lot of us, gigging solo & duo has been a way to keep playing music when time-intensive band involvement wasn't a good option. Now that I'm in my mid-40s & have more time to play, I think about how I can keep a good thing going long-term.

 

What are you doing, or have you done, to extend your gigging years?

 

- General fitness is a good start.

- Raising my guitar for a more "classical" grip and getting a better (easier) playing acoustic helped with left-hand pain.

- Recognizing the difference between a "song I can sing" and a "song I can sing during the last hour of a two-night stand" and adjust/transpose accordingly.

 

What adjustments have you made that are working for you?

 

My duo parner, who is 7 years my senior, has shoulder problems & freqently talks about bagging the 49lb powered speakers for a Bose system (L1 Model II). We've A/B'ed one against our current system and, though we liked ours better, the difference was subtle. We can handle it now but I'm not sure I want to be horsing the heavy stuff around when I'm in my 60s.

 

Thank goodness for the multi-cart. :)

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You've made some good points thus far. I think learning to sing properly is a big one. My voice used to hurt after singing for a few hours. After I took some lessons and learned some simple (proper) techniques, I can sing now for five hours or more without my voice feeling strained.

 

Carrying stuff is another big one. I do have lightweight speaker cabinets. I was considering purchasing a Fishman Fishstick for smaller gigs, but then I invested in a multi-cart/hand truck type thing. Makes life much easier, and hauling my gear isn't so much a problem anymore. I have this one:

http://www.lowes.com/pd_304427-66651-12301ABL1_0__?productId=3192935&Ntt=dolly&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Ddolly&facetInfo=

 

Another one is playing those late night gigs. I'm not even as "advanced in years" as Rupert, but playing 'til 2am, then packing up and not getting home until 3am or so really kills me. If I was a full time musician, it wouldn't be that big of a problem, I guess.

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Transpose

Take care of yourself

Drink water

Use a cart

Ive got the Bose System...works for me.

I did 177 gigs in 2010,and am on track for at least that many this year.Yes,a lot of them were assisted living/nursing home type things,but they all involve the same routine:Load up the car,drive to the gig,unpack the car,set up,do the gig,tear down,unload the car

I'm 61,by cracky!

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Yeah, the capo can be your best friend. Plus, I also carry a guitar tuned a half step down, so when I feel my voice strained a bit, I just switch guitar and that usually helps a lot.

 

Hey jayare, I just saw the video on your site, looks like a lot of fun!. I wonder how the BOSE system sounds when you play with it on your trio, does it has the volume to stay up there with the drum kit? Also, I wonder if the other guitar player connects on the same system.

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Hey jayare, I just saw the video on your site, looks like a lot of fun!. I wonder how the BOSE system sounds when you play with it on your trio, does it has the volume to stay up there with the drum kit? Also, I wonder if the other guitar player connects on the same system.

 

 

Hi..when I use the Bose with the trio,I use 2 extra Bose subs,with the extra power amp.I have my guitar direct,the other guy uses his own amp.Its workin' so far!

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look, i'm gonna go out on a limb here having used the Bose systems quite a lot. I think they sound like {censored}ing {censored} and are overpriced compared to getting some light weight EV's or My QSC K8's. I have a very light weight KILLER sounding rig that I can wheel in on one trip. Sets up in 5 min. Small board, 2 powered speakers and a powered monitor, if needed. CRYSTAL clear. LOTS of places have the bose here in Nashville and some sound OK but none sound as good as my EV SX300 system or my K system with Sub. PERIOD end of story. I won't even mention higher end EAW, etc. Not a Bose hater by any stretch. Just real world observations on the sytems having played through them a bunch over years. Sorry for thread hijack.

 

Now, what I did was from the beginning, use .10 gauge strings on my acoustics, learn to sing correctly and pace myself vocally. I did start transposing some things for my marathon 7 day a week 5 hour night month long gigs in Europe. Also, I made the switch to a small, light PA. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do as you age.

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look, i'm gonna go out on a limb here having used the Bose systems quite a lot. I think they sound like {censored}ing {censored} and are overpriced compared to getting some light weight EV's or My QSC K8's. I have a very light weight KILLER sounding rig that I can wheel in on one trip. Sets up in 5 min. Small board, 2 powered speakers and a powered monitor, if needed. CRYSTAL clear. LOTS of places have the bose here in Nashville and some sound OK but none sound as good as my EV SX300 system or my K system with Sub. PERIOD end of story. I won't even mention higher end EAW, etc. Not a Bose hater by any stretch. Just real world observations on the sytems having played through them a bunch over years. Sorry for thread hijack.


Now, what I did was from the beginning, use .10 gauge strings on my acoustics, learn to sing correctly and pace myself vocally. I did start transposing some things for my marathon 7 day a week 5 hour night month long gigs in Europe. Also, I made the switch to a small, light PA. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do as you age.

 

 

Have a similar opinion of the L1.

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look, i'm gonna go out on a limb here having used the Bose systems quite a lot. I think they sound like {censored}ing {censored} and are overpriced compared to getting some light weight EV's or My QSC K8's. I have a very light weight KILLER sounding rig that I can wheel in on one trip. Sets up in 5 min. Small board, 2 powered speakers and a powered monitor, if needed. CRYSTAL clear. LOTS of places have the bose here in Nashville and some sound OK but none sound as good as my EV SX300 system or my K system with Sub. PERIOD end of story. I won't even mention higher end EAW, etc. Not a Bose hater by any stretch. Just real world observations on the sytems having played through them a bunch over years. Sorry for thread hijack.

I actually like the Bose system soundwise, in the right setting, correctly set up...incorrectly set up or in the wrong setting (outdoors, not so great, huge room full of moving bodies, not so great)...but the price is typical Bose snobbery. The Fishstick (Fishman SA220) seems to be competitive and a lot less costly...but I have not tried one as yet, and it is currently out of my price range...

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I actually like the Bose system soundwise,
in the right setting
,
correctly set up
...incorrectly set up or in the wrong setting (outdoors, not so great, huge room full of moving bodies, not so great)...but the price is typical Bose snobbery. The Fishstick (Fishman SA220) seems to be competitive and a lot less costly...but I have not tried one as yet, and it is currently out of my price range...

 

 

I myself like the Fishman MUCH better than the Bose.

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I actually like the Bose system soundwise,
in the right setting
,
correctly set up
...incorrectly set up or in the wrong setting (outdoors, not so great, huge room full of moving bodies, not so great)...but the price is typical Bose snobbery. The Fishstick (Fishman SA220) seems to be competitive and a lot less costly...but I have not tried one as yet, and it is currently out of my price range...

 

 

The "Fish Stick" is a better option to the Bose L1...at about 1/2 the $$$. I've used both, and plan to get a "Fish Stick" ASAP.

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I hope I am nowhere near the end of my gigging days, but I already subscribe to much of what has been said in this thread. I try to keep my equipment light while not sacrificing in the sound quality department. My full set up is 2 EV SX100+ speakers (just under 32 lbs. each) on sticks, wedge monitor(s) (13 lbs. each), and a Yamaha EMX512SC mixer (17 lbs.). Sounds VERY good to me, gets plenty loud for our venues, and is pretty light. As a guitarist, Arthritis is my biggest fear. No signs of it yet, though...

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one wonders how they did all those folk act coffee house gigs back in the 50s without anything but an acoustic guitar...oh, yeah, people cared enough to be quiet and listen...they weren't texting, taking calls, webcrawling, etc....:rolleyes:

Actually, when I started out doing duos in the early 70s (yeah, I'm a grandpa for real ;) ), some gigs we didn't even have a vocal microphone, we had to sing pretty loud over 2 guitars... :eek:

I saw Pete Seeger in a 'very intimate' setting around that time, and he was totally 'acoustic', in a 'small room'...Tom Paxton, and several other folk acts too...they would show up with one guitar and play for a couple of hours, unamplified, drinking...coffee...:eek:

 

ahhh, those were the days... ;)

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I'm 60 now, and have done a few things different.

 

1) I'm choosy about where and how often I play. I'd rather do a few quality gigs a year than a bunch of gigs that add to my frustration.

 

2) I have a rolling, 50 watt PA that works for many of the smaller venues I play. When needed I take the Peavey Escort; it is heavy in and out of the car, but rolls other than that.

 

3) I learned a few years ago to let the mic do the work. I keep my voice mellow and let the sound system carry it.

 

4) Songs that I started singing 20-40 years ago are memorized. My newer songs not so much. Yes, I use a music stand. It is my concession to an aging memory. I mostly glance now and then when doing songs written in the last year or so, but it keeps me on track.

 

5) I am serious about what I do, but don't take it seriously. Making a mistake in my practice as a therapist can have serious consequences. Hitting a wrong note or flubbing a lyric not so much.

 

I love this new forum. Thanks HC!

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