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  • New gig last night - first question - "Are you doing karaoke?"

    New Yacht Club gig last night - first question - "Are you doing karaoke?"

    We said, "Of course not."

    The woman said, "Good, the last band was only doing karaoke."

    I know the duo, but won't mention their name. They buy karaoke tracks and use audio loop software for their tracks. Good musicians, great sounding karaoke sounding backing tracks - but they sound like karaoke tracks - better tone to a musician's ear - but cheating to an audience member's ear..

    I make my own tracks using 100% MIDI instruments (synths) and the same lady told us she is going to ask for us to come back again and again. (see http://www.nortonmusic.com/backing_tracks.html for how I make and use them).

    We had the crowd up dancing from the time they finished dinner until they told us to stop playing.

    Life is good.
    Bob "Notes" Norton
    Owner, Norton Music http://www.nortonmusic.com
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  • #2
    So the duo you mention doesnt play instruments at all, just show up to sing to the karaoke tracks?

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    • #3
      So the duo you mention doesnt play instruments at all, just show up to sing to the karaoke tracks?


      They play/sing along with karaoke tracks and loops. I heard them a few years ago at an Elk's lodge. And they are decent at it.

      The point I think I want to make is that if you are playing with backing tracks, you might want to try to make them not sound like karaoke tracks. First make sure there aren't any background vocals, that's a dead giveaway. Then use MIDI instruments instead of live ones as they sound a little synthy, like you are doing them yourself.

      There might be other 'tricks of the trade' to get backing tracks NOT to sound karaoke-ish, and this might be a good thread to post them. I'd appreciate that kind of discussion.
      Bob "Notes" Norton
      Owner, Norton Music http://www.nortonmusic.com
      Style and Fake disks for Band-in-a-Box and add on styles for Microsoft SongSmith
      The Sophisticats http://www.s-cats.com >^. .^< >^. .^<

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      • #4
        I wonder how it woulda went with no tracks.

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        • #5
          They play/sing along with karaoke tracks and loops. I heard them a few years ago at an Elk's lodge. And they are decent at it.

          The point I think I want to make is that if you are playing with backing tracks, you might want to try to make them not sound like karaoke tracks. First make sure there aren't any background vocals, that's a dead giveaway. Then use MIDI instruments instead of live ones as they sound a little synthy, like you are doing them yourself.

          There might be other 'tricks of the trade' to get backing tracks NOT to sound karaoke-ish, and this might be a good thread to post them. I'd appreciate that kind of discussion.


          Very odd, I have never heard of such a thing. Think it would be sort of campy; do they run it like karaoke and bring others up or just sing along with tracks by themselves?
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          • #6
            Nope, they just sing/play along with their backing tracks like so many of us do. They just use that method to make them - or buy them ready-recorded.

            I guess there is nothing wrong with that, it's just a different way to do it. I heard them once a few years ago, and thought they were OK. But hearing a song in the arrangement of the record with chick singers singing the backing vocals was rather obvious.

            I don't know what kind of looping software they use, they said they buy karaoke tracks and also assemble things from companies like Big Fish. I'm not that interested, but I thought I'd post this as a help to someone else in the duo biz.
            Bob "Notes" Norton
            Owner, Norton Music http://www.nortonmusic.com
            Style and Fake disks for Band-in-a-Box and add on styles for Microsoft SongSmith
            The Sophisticats http://www.s-cats.com >^. .^< >^. .^<

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            • #7
              Nope, they just sing/play along with their backing tracks like so many of us do.


              I'm not terribly worried exactly where you draw the line between "backing tracks" and "karaoke". And I'm not concerned about whether or not an audience perceives it as "cheating". That may be the opinion they form but I expect it's more about whether or not they feel they were entertained (whatever that means).

              I have been asked whether or not we were just lip syncing to a CD and I've always taken that as a complement. Many times it is my goal to sound as close as it is possible to the record ... although not always.


              We had the crowd up dancing from the time they finished dinner until they told us to stop playing.


              Seems to me this is the only thing that is relevant ... by whatever means necessary.
              Don Boomer

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              • #8
                I'm not terribly worried exactly where you draw the line between "backing tracks" and "karaoke". And I'm not concerned about whether or not an audience perceives it as "cheating". That may be the opinion they form but I expect it's more about whether or not they feel they were entertained (whatever that means).

                I have been asked whether or not we were just lip syncing to a CD and I've always taken that as a complement. Many times it is my goal to sound as close as it is possible to the record ... although not always.

                Seems to me this is the only thing that is relevant ... by whatever means necessary.



                I agree with dboomer. How do you define backing tracks and karaoke?

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                • #9
                  The "use MIDI instruments instead of live ones" really makes me wonder...isn't it supposed to be the other way around? I mean, live instruments should make the backing track sound better, right?

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                  • #10
                    i've had people come up to me and ask about hiring my DJ service. i tell them "no dj here. i am "the Jay". they dont even notice the 3 guitars, keyboard, and banjo on the stage. to them, i'm just a dj. :/

                    some people dont know the difference between DJ, Karaoke, Solo act, band. they hear music...if they like it, they have a good time. the next day comes and they dont even know what they listened to the night before

                    there are 3 piece Karaoke groups around here selling their selves off as a band. there are no instruments. 2 singers and a dj running the karaoke. everybody around calls them a band. oh well

                    theres room for all kinds of entertainment down here in florida. we are not all after the same venues. thats good
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                    • #11
                      i've had people come up to me and ask about hiring my DJ service. i tell them "no dj here. i am "the Jay". they dont even notice the 3 guitars, keyboard, and banjo on the stage. to them, i'm just a dj. :/

                      some people dont know the difference between DJ, Karaoke, Solo act, band. they hear music...if they like it, they have a good time. the next day comes and they dont even know what they listened to the night before

                      there are 3 piece Karaoke groups around here selling their selves off as a band. there are no instruments. 2 singers and a dj running the karaoke. everybody around calls them a band. oh well

                      theres room for all kinds of entertainment down here in florida. we are not all after the same venues. thats good


                      makes no difference to me. People call those silly Backstreet boys, Westlife "BAND' as well.

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                      • #12
                        Backstreet Boys and Westlife are singers. They are not what I'd call... BAND.

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                        • #13
                          i call 3 or more singers a vocal group

                          backstreet boys are a vocal group. i suppose they have a band that backs them, but they could do their thing with a karaoke disc.

                          i would call the temptations, tony orlando and dawn, o'jays, etc are vocal groups, but if you look on the vocal group hall of fame, there are a lot of bands on there.

                          its all subjective. i guess their are no rules to follow anymore.
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                          • #14
                            Where I'm at in Central Ill. There are not a whole lot of people that use backing tracks. It seems to get neg. results. I play in two power trios and do a solo acoustic gig. Lately I have been thinking about doing a couple of songs w/backing tracks to see how it will "fly". so the other day I was searching Backing tracks and midi files on the net. I tune my guitar down 1/2 step (my vocal range is not that high) the backing tracks seemed to fall apart slightly when transposed. (could just be a software issue) I down loaded a couple of midi files into Cubase and put better sounding vst instuments to the parts that I would use, Bass, Drums and keys. It does not sound bad at all. I then converted to an mp3 and downloaded to my ipod. My GF rolls her eyes and says it takes away from the solo acoustic show.
                            I liked Norton's suggestion of panning bass and drums hard left and everything else hard right then running a mono signal live to be able to pump up more low end if needed. Now I just have to try one or two songs on my next gig to see how it will go over.
                            My dad is retired around the Homosassa FL. area, and it seems there are alot of solo acts down there that use them and they go over well. so I guess my point is if it works roll with, if not then don't. I will find out next weekend LOL. I just don't want it to sound like a karaoke show.

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                            • #15
                              Anytime I've ever played as a single or duo it's just been me or us with guitars and mics. Nothing else.



                              If the venue wants a full band sound, then hire a full band.
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