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  • Need vocal processor/harmonizer info please.

    How many of you are using harmonizer processors/pedals,,, and what's the best way to go when getting into these things for the first time? I've only taken a passing glance at these things, so I haven't a clue about what's good, and what's not.



    I recently glanced at two units, both of which were by T.C. Helicon if I'm not mistaken. One was a compact pedal,,, going for a few hundred $$, and the larger unit was over $700. The salesman told me the larger unit "sounds much better/ more realistic" than the smaller unit. Would you guys agree?
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  • #2
    Hey Bobby

    I use and old Vocalist II and love it. I might add that I use it a lot and the thing has AT LEAST 300 gigs on it. I'll use it until it dies and I have no desire for anything else. To tell you the truth if this one dies I'll simply go back and buy another one. You can check out some of the harmonies with it on my website if you want. You can find them on Ebay now for $185 like the one here. If you have any questions let me know.



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    • #3
      I use a harmony m with my keyboard because it takes the midi from thekb for the harmonies. Mostly I just use it to thicken the vocals. I only use the harmony ability sparingly, less is more. I expect the same applies to most of the other boxes as well. I thought about the larger helicon unit but for me (amateur) it was just not worth it and to be honest, the harmony m is fine for my needs.
      The further away I am, the better I sound....

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      • #4
        I Have the old TC helicon VL version 1

        It sounds pretty good to me.



        I compress my voice and not the harmonies so I can play with the dynamics a bit

        I don't auto tune my voice but I do the harmonies.

        The variable delay on harmonies

        It has 4 parts but I've never used more than 2 live

        It sucked when I first got it and then the harmony control guitar came out, it became a whole new pedal

        I use it as a table top to change presets and activate it with the foot pedal.

        I've used an old DOD acoustic1 for years but I think I'm going to start using the instrument processing function in the TCH
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        • #5
          Thanks for those responses guys. I'm going to do a bit more research I guess. I watched a rather interesting video on the T.C. Helicon VoiceLive II, and was quite surprised to see just what these units are capable of. I'd like to get beyond my first impression, to see if this is a unit I could really use,, and enjoy long-term.



          One question that comes to mind is; can you control the volume of the harmonies, to get more of a back-ground harmony-vocal effect? When I was watching the VL-2 video, I just got the impression that it would feel weird to have a harmony vocal that's as bright, or as loud as the lead vocal, when there's only one performer on stage.
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          • #6






            Quote Originally Posted by Bobby1Note
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            One question that comes to mind is; can you control the volume of the harmonies, to get more of a back-ground harmony-vocal effect? When I was watching the VL-2 video, I just got the impression that it would feel weird to have a harmony vocal that's as bright, or as loud as the lead vocal, when there's only one performer on stage.




            I'm sure it's the same on all of them so I guess the answer is yes. I know the Digitech does and the TC is probably much more expensive. I never use more than one voice- it's usually the 5th and it's normally just under the lead vocal. For me it just seems a little "hokey" when a whole bunch of vocals pop in. Out of the couple hundred tunes I do there's exactly two that I use 2 additional voices. One is Alice in Chains- No Excuses and the other is Seven Bridges Road and I've played them both probably once in the past year.
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            • #7
              I had a Digitech vocalist 4 for a few years, and in March I got the TC voicelive play GTX when it first came out. Both these units are good, but I like the VL play GTX because it added guitar effects. Most of the newer units, listen to your chords, and the harmony follows. I believe they all have the ability to adjust the volume of the harmony, and I agree that "less is more". I heard one guy recently, that just got a vocalist 3, and his harmony was overpowering his vocal and it sounded weird and unnatural.



              With the TC VL play GTX, I am able to pre-program my backing tracks via midi to control the preset selection (patch), and toggle the harmonies on/off at the appropriate times, eliminating the need to hover my foot over the pedal. makes my life so much easier!



              I was under the impression that the TC presets are the same as their more expensive unit. The VL play GTX is $349, and if you don't need the guitar effects the VL play is only $249
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              • #8
                Started using the voicelive play gtx and for a numbnuts like me its complicated enough so am glad I never went for the far more complicated offerings. However in retrospect I would have bought the cheaper voicelive play as I simply can't get used to the effects and end up using my zoom.
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                • #9






                  Quote Originally Posted by Mike McLaughlin
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                  I had a Digitech vocalist 4 for a few years, and in March I got the TC voicelive play GTX when it first came out. Both these units are good, but I like the VL play GTX because it added guitar effects. Most of the newer units, listen to your chords, and the harmony follows. I believe they all have the ability to adjust the volume of the harmony, and I agree that "less is more". I heard one guy recently, that just got a vocalist 3, and his harmony was overpowering his vocal and it sounded weird and unnatural.



                  With the TC VL play GTX, I am able to pre-program my backing tracks via midi to control the preset selection (patch), and toggle the harmonies on/off at the appropriate times, eliminating the need to hover my foot over the pedal. makes my life so much easier! I was under the impression that the TC presets are the same as their more expensive unit. The VL play GTX is $349, and if you don't need the guitar effects the VL play is only $249




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                    Quote Originally Posted by Potts
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                    Mike you're not allowed to chime in on stuff like this- you have THE BEST setup around so it's not fair to compare.




                    HaHa, not so sure about THE BEST.
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                    • #11
                      Hi Bobby,



                      I am quite in agreement with Mike. The VoiceLive II costs ~$800 street, and as Mike says VL GTX is ~$349 (I have seen cheaper on E-Bay). Main difference besides all the extra stomp buttons on the more expensive unit, is that it has 8 voices and the GTX has only 2 harmony voices + an additional 1-2 voices for doubling. All voices on GTX can be gender bent. I like GTX because you can control harmony voices from your guitar, or by midi from a keyboard. Neither of which you can do with the less expensive VL Play unit.



                      There is a guitar Input and a Thru (which allows you to have your guitar audio enter the unit and be used for controlling harmonies, but not be processed by the machine, if you prefer to process it somewhere else as I do). There is also a mixer section if you want to quickly adjust your levels so you don't overpower the lead vocals etc. It is also easy to control the harmony levels on the fly. VL Play and GTX are exactly the same except GTX has the additional guitar EFX and GTR input/ MIDI In. Hope this is of some help.

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                      • #12
                        Is it possible to add a volume-pedal to some of these units?



                        I checked out a few more videos on these voice-processors, and I'm really divided about getting one. A LOT of the videos just sounded wayyyy too overdone, but I did find a few rare ones which sounded pretty darned good. I'd definitely be in the camp of "Less is More".



                        Last time I was at the music store, I believe the smaller unit I looked at was called the "Harmony G-XT",,,,( I may be wrong about that name.) I don't recall seeing a "Play GTX". Is the "Play GTX" a newer version?



                        I'll call the music-store shortly (50 miles away). My regular sales-guy starts work at noon today.
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                        • #13
                          I've been using the Boss VE-20 for the past year and while it does sound good, the harmony function doesn't work very well. It is not a guitar-through unit so you have to set custom "key of" patches for the tunes where you want to add harmony. When I go into the setting to change key nothing happens. The harmony never fits to what I'm singing. Perhaps my unit is broken. Beyond that, it sounds great. Paid $250 when it came out, now I see it prices around $270.

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                          • #14
                            In the past I've owned:



                            Digitech Vocalist Live 2

                            TC Helicon Harmony G-XT



                            I got rid of the Digitech the first time I head another performer using a Helicon



                            I got rid of the Helicon right away after a show or two because my clumsy feet kept hitting the flat button above the harmony on/off button and changing the patch mid song.



                            I then sprung for the Helicon Voice Live 2 - and for many of the above reasons in other posts - still use it for both my acts (full band and acoustic trio). Is it perfect? nope. Is it worth $800? I think so.



                            I also bought a used Harmony G - to keep in my bag as a spare. My bass player recently started to use it in both my acts.



                            I'm a Digitec fan for guitar processors - but the Helicon vocal procesors are superior - in my experience.
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                            • #15
                              I guess it's pretty evident by now, that I've never used one of these processors, nor have I used back-tracks, so, please bear (bare?) with me if I ask some silly questions, or if i repeat a question (something doesn't "sink in").
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