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How long does it take to get settled in on a gig?

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  • How long does it take to get settled in on a gig?

    When I'm on a gig, typically the first song or two I'm still thinking about the mix, my pitch, is my guitar in tune, is it too loud, not loud enough, etc...the ears start to compress things after 10 or 20 minutes, but those first couple songs always seem like stepping out onto a shaky branch, if you catch my meaning.



    How long does it take for ya'll to get settled in on a gig?



    My voice and guitar usually require a song or two to get "warmed-up." After 2 or 3 songs I'm usually hitting on most/all cylinders. The first song out though, I'm usually kinda feeling it out.



    Typically after an hour or so...my vocal pitch is practically perfect. Not that it isn't on the earlier songs, but my control seems to go up a notch after singing for a bit.



    What are your experiences here? Does it take a few songs to "get your sea legs back?"
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    I am exactly the way you typed it.

    So I pick an easy one for the first tune. One that can vamp on the intro for awhile, few lyrics, few chords.

    Tom Petty's "You Got Lucky" is what I usually pick.



    After the first tune, balances are either spot on or real close. And the nerves (like if it's a new venue for me, etc.) are gone as soon as I'm choosing the next song.

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    • #3
      Yeah about the same. It's funny though because literally everything on my board is set almost flat before going into the Bose. Its normally good for just about all my gigs. Normally it's the low end that may need a little bit of boost/cut. Its the "verb" I have to keep an eye out for based on the room I'm in.
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      • #4
        Make sure the sound is as good as possible and not loud in the start, tune my guitar, my pitch is way better than most non-musicians anyway, and then I just go out hard and fast!!



        Then I just fine-tune as I go, I'm wireless and can walk around and get a good listen, but I make sure to act as if I don't listen to the sound but to engage the audience and working the crowd. Musicians walking around acting like soundmen and not being engangad in the music looks bad.

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        • #5
          Same here, I guess it's the pain of the solo/duo guys with no sound guy up front.



          What I do is always, always start with the same 2 songs, they have everthing we need, from lead to harmonies so I can gauge the sound and fine tune the mix. One thing I learrnt over the years is that your audience is the best measuring stick to how you sound; by using the same songs, i have gotten used to how a generic crowd behaves to them, so if no one reacts, for example, i know we are to low, or have a muddy mix, if I get the increased conversation volume during the slower parts of the song, I know we are to loud, etc. you guys know what I mean.



          First songs are for settling in and connecting to the audience, from there on...who knows what the hell we are going to do!



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          • #6
            Agree that starting out w/ the same song or two, to "test the waters", is a good way to judge. As a rule, after the 1st song, I just ask "Is the volume about right, or is it too loud?" and go from there.
            God(s) bless the rest of the world(s), too

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            • #7
              I think I'm pretty good about the sound and volume and it amazes me when this one restaurant owner tells me to turn down one night and then says, "you could turn it up a little" another night and my volume is the same both nights.

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                Quote Originally Posted by Sgt. Rock
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                I think I'm pretty good about the sound and volume and it amazes me when this one restaurant owner tells me to turn down one night and then says, "you could turn it up a little" another night and my volume is the same both nights.




                maybe his hearing aid battery was low
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                • #9






                  Quote Originally Posted by chemikool
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                  What are your experiences here? Does it take a few songs to "get your sea legs back?"




                  I'm a full band guy - but my experiences are identical. It does take a few songs to "get my sea legs back" and settle into the night.



                  For me - it's getting my ears acclimated to the sound of the room / and the sound of my bandmates. Sometimes that means making tweaks to the band's mix and/or my keyboard rig. Sometimes it simply means playing through it to get used to where the key things I'm listening for can be found in the sonic space.



                  I'm at my best if I do everything in my power to "hit the ground running". For me, that means taking a look at the set list I plan to play for the night earlier in the day - and spending a few seconds on each tune. I make sure I remember the 1st chord, the basic progression and rhythm groove of my part, the bridge - and any passages that may give me trouble. I'll blast thru each of these components of each tune (usually stoopid fast!) - just to refresh the song is muscle memory. It never ceases to amaze me how there's always one or two tunes (often tunes I've done a million times!) that I have to stop and think about for a second to remember. My "pre-gig" review goes along way in reducing screwups!



                  I also make sure that I get a good warmup immediately prior to starting. I'll sit on the dark stage - and just play thru headphones for 10-15 minutes shortly before we start. It gets my fingers loose, and gets my head thinking music.



                  Adrenaline can be a bit of an issue too. For me, it's critical that I start the night with a totally clear head (no drugs and/or miniscule (if any) alcohol) ... once I've settled into the evening, there may be a little wiggle room in this regard.



                  That's pretty much my routine. I've learned (the hard way!) that I'm at my best if I stick to it.
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                  • #10
                    While I am not usually nervous for gigs at all, I am typically nervous right as I start - for the first song or two. This is particularly true in a new venue, or a venue where I know sound can be difficult in general. I'm always self conscious for the first few songs, trying to dial my sound in. I don't usually tweak my sound a whole lot.



                    When I was first playing gigs, I wouldn't be nervous beforehand, but I would sweat profusely during the first song or two! At least that's kind of calmed down now.



                    After a few songs, things are cool. That being said, if I'm not getting a good response from the audience, the nervous feeling can carry forward until things get warmed up.

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                    • #11
                      When playing new venues I'll usually walk up to the mic nervously and stutter, "This is my first time playing in front of real people". I'll fiddle with my guitar and prepare them for the worst and then jump into something that I have nailed 110% for laughs. It sets up the first 15 minutes wonderfully. After that tune I'll plaster on a fake smile, introduce myself and inform them that I was kidding. I'll let them know about requests and the type of music they'll hear. It gets a laugh and relaxes people and gets them involved right away. It's also great to watch the reactions if you have it in you to pull it off. Because TRUST ME- people will be staring at you ready for the worst.



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                      • #12
                        no maybe about it
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                        • #13






                          Quote Originally Posted by daddymack
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                          no maybe about it




                          I know right? in all seriousness, I think I do this stuff out of boredom. Its the same reason I ended up with a harmonizer, looper, lights and all the other things.
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                          • #14
                            We do a sound check before the audience arrives.



                            When the downbeat comes, I'm ready to go.



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                            • #15
                              I'm trying to kill a bunch of birds with this one stone. Hopefully the people in the other thread "Appearance" will look here to see what I wore. I said in that thread I would post something, so here it is. Also, this is the first time that I used my new guitar that I spoke about in the "crushed guitar" thread. I know the tone isn't there in this vid, but I did get it sounding just fine after about an hour.



                              I video-ed the gig from Saturday night and put the first couple songs up on my youtube channel. I'm hoping this might open up the discussion a little bit about the first few songs of the night.



                              I was not in the best of moods, nor was I in the best physical shape either. Wednesday was the first time in 5 years that I had gotten sick. I was still dealing with that on this gig. 30 minutes before I started I took 2 dayquil pills and another 2 more about 3 hours later. So I'm fighting that, which any singer will tell you sucks ass.

                              I don't think this video is the best representation of what I do, so I'll be taking a down after a week or so once enough of "y'all" see it. I'm posting it to foster debate, that is all.



                              Here it is, comments welcome.

                              I tried to post the video link, but HC is SOOO SLOW right now that it would never come up...so you'll just have to trust that this is the correct link.



                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBjNwBZcw84&hd=1
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                              ---Tele-vania65000<br />
                              Life is too short to waste it on douchebags...<br />
                              ---BlueStrat<br />
                              Sometimes I have this fear... that years from now, being able to play an instrument live will be looked at the same way we look at juggling now... as in &quot;Well, I can see where that is difficult to do, but who cares?<br />
                              ---RichardMac<br />
                              As a youngster, I was told that money was all that mattered.<br />
                              And I didn't believe it.<br />
                              ---Rasputin1963

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