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  • #31
    Don't mind it. Played it when I was gigging regular and now that I'm a "campfire player" I play it when asked. Interesting to note how some peoples perceptions have changed in last couple of years;



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    • #32
      Beethovens 5th and 9th symphonys have been performed how many times? Still brings the house down when done well and that **************** is really old. Good music is just that.

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      • #33
        And my favorite Beethoven symphonies are #4 and #7 which don't get played as often. I drove 100 miles to hear Shostakovitch's #4 when they were playing the more common #5 about 50 miles away.



        On the other hand I love Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet, 4th symphony and 6th which get played often. Dvorak's #9 is one of my favorites and it often gets performed.



        You see, we listen with musician's ears and the public doesn't. I wouldn't get turned on by Brown Eyed Girl if I went to hear someone else play. On the other hand, I wouldn't reject it either. Instead I'd do what I always do, evaluate what is the band doing wrong (IMHO), what are they doing right (what can I steal -- oops -- I mean adopt), and how the audience is reacting to it. Occupational hazard I suppose.



        When I go to listen to music to please my ears, it's either symphonic or jazz. I don't play symphonic and only light jazz (I used to do a jazz jam but we only worked one day a week).



        You can play for yourself ... you can play for other musicians ... or you can play for the general public. And if you are good enough, you will get the audience you asked for.



        I enjoy playing music, whether it is an old "war horse" like Margaritaville, Brown Eyed Girl, Mustang Sally or whether it is anything else in our song list (which is quite extensive) http://www.nortonmusic.com/cats/songlist.html



        Perhaps the most worn out song I do is Yakety Sax and only play that when requested. Calling it is the only problem. Funny thing happens as soon as I start playing it, I enjoy doing it in spite of myself.



        My favorites are usually the most recently learned because there is more room for exploration in them and I haven't settled down to what I think works best.



        But while I'm playing for myself, I'm also playing for the audience. I've been playing for the general public since the 1960s and they haven't let me down yet. It's been fun and it's still fun.



        For those who hate to play this song, and refuse to play another, and can't stand to do yet another, I wonder why they are musicians. Seems to me either you like playing or not.



        But then I'm looking through my eyes. We're all different and that's OK.



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        • #34
          we play it. In fact we got a request for it last night. I use steel drums to give it the island flavor. After you have played margaritagrill 250 times a year for a few years, you can deal with anything.



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          • #35
            I have my favorites and I have ones I don't look forward to playing. Brown Eyed Girl kind of falls inbetween. I'm not burnt out on it, but it isn't a song I'm dying to play either.



            I enjoy watching people dance, have fun and singing along, but if I'm playing songs I don't care for and I'm only playing them to get those results AND it doesn't work (they just sit there or leave the dance floor until it's done), that sucks. Because then it's a fail all around. I don't like it, they don't like it, so why is it being played? Sometimes that happens. Thankfully, not that often.



            I'm not a big Van Morrison fan. I never understood the appeal of his voice or his songs. But some people can't understand why I like the music I like too. So it's all good.
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            • #36






              Quote Originally Posted by TIMKEYS
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              we play it. In fact we got a request for it last night. I use steel drums to give it the island flavor. After you have played margaritagrill 250 times a year for a few years, you can deal with anything.



              Nibblin on sponge cake




              See Buffett...






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              • #37






                Quote Originally Posted by Potts
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                LOL ,,, yup thats pretty much what our crowd looks like only a ton smaller. It just means they have to dring more to make up for size.
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                • #38






                  Quote Originally Posted by J.Paul
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                  I don't get it.

                  It's got a nice little riff

                  a good hook

                  tells a story

                  isn't slow and brooding

                  chicks dance to it





                  fire away




                  If those are your reasons for thinking it's good, you'll never "get it".
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                  • #39






                    Quote Originally Posted by BEMUSofNthAmrca
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                    If those are your reasons for thinking it's good, you'll never "get it".




                    LOL.. Really? He's a touring player with a top country act silly.

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                    • #40






                      Quote Originally Posted by BEMUSofNthAmrca
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                      If those are your reasons for thinking it's good, you'll never "get it".




                      And what the heck are you talking about? I'm not sure if YOU get it my friend.



                      These are absolutley the key components to a good song:
                      • Good riff

                      • Good hook

                      • Tells a story

                      • Isn't slow and brooding

                      • Chicks dance to it

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                      • #41






                        Quote Originally Posted by Potts
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                        And what the heck are you talking about? I'm not sure if YOU get it my friend.



                        These are absolutley the key components to a good song:
                        • Good riff

                        • Good hook

                        • Tells a story

                        • Isn't slow and brooding

                        • Chicks dance to it





                        +1



                        Writing a song with all of the above seems simple when it's done, but it's deceptively simple. There is quite an art to it. I wish I could crank out a million like that.



                        Just because the song is simple, doesn't mean it's bad. Sure B.E.G. isn't nearly as complex as a Prokofiev ballet (chicks do dance to a Prokofiev ballet though and they have good hooks - called themes), and I wouldn't say it rises to nearly the same level of artistic merit, but that doesn't make it bad. Hamburgers aren't as good as Filet Mignon, but they are still good and I like them both.



                        Again, we listen with musician's ears, but most of us play for the non-trained so we have to accommodate their level of understanding. IMHO That shouldn't mean we are playing down to them, just having fun with them.



                        I've played music by Morrison and Moussorgsky, and quite a bit in-between, and enjoyed it all. You can cop an elitist attitude if you like, and if it suits you, that's just fine, but that doesn't make either your way or my way the definitive right answer. As long as our music has listeners, we must be doing something right.



                        On last night's gig we had a request for "Elvira" so we played it and packed the dance floor. They did some kind of line dance to it, and when the oom-pap-pa.... part came, they all sang at the top of their lungs. While Elvira will never be on my iPod, I must admit it was fun playing it.



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                        Owner, Norton Music http://www.nortonmusic.com
                        Style and Fake disks for Band-in-a-Box and add on styles for Microsoft SongSmith
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                        • #42
                          We did BEG for SNAGs last night. Really slow and wistful. Transformed it and people listened and liked.
                          Originally posted by senorblues;
                          ... But if it's all about familiarity, then maybe I should avoid rooms that hire guitars. There's no point in doing Creedence, Zep, Buffet, etc. all night.

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                          • #43






                            Quote Originally Posted by tim_7string
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                            I enjoy watching people dance, have fun and singing along, but if I'm playing songs I don't care for and I'm only playing them to get those results AND it doesn't work (they just sit there or leave the dance floor until it's done), that sucks. Because then it's a fail all around. I don't like it, they don't like it, so why is it being played? Sometimes that happens. Thankfully, not that often.



                            .




                            That is basically my point of view. For instance, when I'm playing in a party band, I have no shame whatsoever. My function is to provide a party atmosphere, so out comes B.E.G., Shout, Takin' Care Of Business, Red Red Wine and so on. But currently most of my solo venues don't want, and wouldn't much tolerate that kind of music - so I don't play those tunes unless requested.



                            Last night I started pandering to the audience, or at least I thought I was. I played Stand By Me, Route 66, some Bob Marley and so on. Nothing too much was happening. But then I played a slow blues, Affirmation (Benson), and OGD (Wes Montgomery) and got a much bigger response. So for that night anyway, most of the audience didn't want tired tried and true.



                            But as I said before, if people are screaming and dancing, or just have a particular song need, then I play what works - no need to educate anyone, especially when it all comes down to opinions, not fact. When it's their night out it's their party.

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                            • #44






                              Quote Originally Posted by Shaster
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                              Last night I started pandering to the audience, or at least I thought I was. I played Stand By Me, Route 66, some Bob Marley and so on. Nothing too much was happening. But then I played a slow blues, Affirmation (Benson), and OGD (Wes Montgomery) and got a much bigger response. So for that night anyway, most of the audience didn't want tired tried and true.




                              Nice! That doesn't happen too much.



                              I have an audience at a venue that I play at the first Saturday of the month that is receptive to literally anything I play. It's awesome being able to drop tunes like Margarittaville, BEG, Feelin Alright and Blister, and replace them with stuff that may have more depth to it.

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                              • #45






                                Quote Originally Posted by pogo97
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                                We did BEG for SNAGs last night. Really slow and wistful. Transformed it and people listened and liked.




                                BEG slow and wistful? I've done it reggae or island ala Jimmy Buffet but never like that.
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