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  • #61
    This whole "paid less / paid more" thing is stupid.

    In publishing - here is the law. The publishing company and agents get whatever they can negotiate. Whatever is left is split in half. 50% to the songwriter(s) and 50% to the performers. That can be more difficult in bands because most stupid musicians think because nobody told them what to play on the bass, then they are a co-writer - that's crap. Gig fee's should be split evenly between all on-stage personnel with a portion of each going back to off-stage personnel. Anything else must be negotiated before hand. If a singer can negotiate a higher percentage, than good for them. If a drummer can negotiate a highter percentage, than good for them. It's the unspoken back biting that kills bands, not poorly negotiated inequity.
    Illinois Jack


    Some of my lyrics are posted on http://illinoisjack.blogspot.com/

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    • #62
      "stunningbabe" is a man.
      It's so obvious.


      glad that you know.

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      • #63
        "stunningbabe" is a man.
        It's so obvious.

        really? Do tell....
        If this is true, having seen pictures and listened to tracks, 'he' is one heck of a female impersonator...
        and your gender would be...?
        "We are currently experiencing some technical difficulties due to reality fluctuations. The elves are working tirelessly to patch the correct version of reality. Activities here have been temporarily disabled since the fundamentals of mathematics, physics and reason may be incomprehensible during this indeterminate period of instability. Normal service will be restored once we are certain as to what 'normal' is."

        Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally used up and worn out, shouting '...man, what a ride!'
        "The greatness of a man is not in how much wealth he acquires, but in his integrity and his ability to affect those around him positively" ~Bob Marley

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        • #64
          I think the bigger issue is women singing men's rock songs.... ugh. Yeah I want to hear some chick sing "For those About to Rock" just about as much as I want to hear a guy sing a Pretenders song.

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          • #65
            Female singers often get the limelight more than a male singer...so it is no secret that the 'eye-candy' part does help in getting more gigs.

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            • #66
              really? Do tell....
              If this is true, having seen pictures and listened to tracks, 'he' is one heck of a female impersonator...
              and your gender would be...?


              Was thinking pretty much the same thing, and that whoever did the "conversion surgery" really did NICE work!
              God(s) bless the rest of the world(s), too

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              • #67
                Frontperson type singers are not equal to musicians in a band-or at least they shouldn't be. The singer is the focus, the face of the band. Jagger equal to Watts? No. Not Keef either. Any singer worth backing up should be able to almost make the audience forget there is a band backing them. The idea that a singer who doesn't play an instrument should get less than a musician backing them is strange to me. Usually, it's the other way around. On another thread a guy talked about having to fire the singer and that holding up the progress of the band. If you do music with vocals and you don't have a singer, there is no band. My group has always been instrumental. I could have added a female vocalist and expanded my gig opportunities greatly. But I didn't want to be a backup musician in my own freakin band. I didn't want to be held hostage by a vocalist.

                Here's my favorite example:

                Miami sound Machine!!!!
                Miami Sound Machine w/ Gloria Estefan!!!!!!!
                Gloria Estefan w/ Miami Sound Machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                Gloria Estefan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                Now I'd love to play behind Gloria, but I'd hate to have been a founding member of MSM, unless I happened to be her husband, who was also a member of the band. Anyone remember any of the other guys? Nope.

                If I'm going to work with a singer, let them be great, really great, and let me play behind them, supporting their greatness. And if they aren't awesome, GTFO.

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                • #68
                  Was thinking pretty much the same thing, and that whoever did the "conversion surgery" really did NICE work!


                  hehehehe....it it makes you feel better....I am 100% Female. I was born a Female and I will die as one.

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                  • #69
                    Miami sound Machine!!!!
                    Miami Sound Machine w/ Gloria Estefan!!!!!!!
                    Gloria Estefan w/ Miami Sound Machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    Gloria Estefan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    This has been my somewhat limited experience with female lead singers.

                    In my rock band, we decided to try and add a female earlier this year. Auditioned a few ladies.

                    One girl brought her husband. No big deal, actually kind of expected. But when she said that he also plays... I took one look at my buddy and we knew. Sure enough about 20min later she asks if her husband can sit in. On an audition...for her...

                    One girl showed up two hours late, spilling into another girl's audition. Two hours late. And then basically demanded we cut the other girl loose (who was on time) and let her sing "right now" because she was the best. Turns out...she wasn't the best; couldn't even sing on pitch.

                    One girl showed up ABSOLUTELY drunk. I mean...stinking drunk.

                    The girl that had the other one bust into her audtion: after answering our ad about a COVER band audtion, wants to do nothing but originals. She wanted us to be her backing bad ALA Gloria Estefan and the un-named losers.

                    Every single one of them exhibited "red-flag" behavior.
                    Every. Single. One.



                    So we have dropped the idea of adding a female to sing with the band.
                    If you don't sing, don't expect to call the shots....
                    ---Tele-vania65000
                    Life is too short to waste it on douchebags...
                    ---BlueStrat
                    Sometimes I have this fear... that years from now, being able to play an instrument live will be looked at the same way we look at juggling now... as in "Well, I can see where that is difficult to do, but who cares?
                    ---RichardMac
                    As a youngster, I was told that money was all that mattered.
                    And I didn't believe it.
                    ---Rasputin1963

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                    • #70
                      This board seems to be loaded with bands with female singers...WTF is the deal with this trend? Please tell me it's not about having a hot chick front the band for more or better gigs because that's just wrong IMO.

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                      • #71
                        This board seems to be loaded with bands with female singers...WTF is the deal with this trend? Please tell me it's not about having a hot chick front the band for more or better gigs because that's just wrong IMO.


                        different strokes : I'd much rather hire an attractive and competent girl singer to increase my hireability than, say, put on funny hats or use backing tracks

                        or play Margaritaville
                        All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

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                        • #72
                          different strokes : I'd much rather hire an attractive and competent girl singer to increase my hireability than, say, put on funny hats or use backing tracks

                          or play Margaritaville


                          Sure whatever...How about bands find a singer thats good for the band instead of, again ,singing guy fronted tunes?

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                          • #73
                            The sexism in this thread is ridiculous. "Men-only" band policies. Women at fault for
                            using sex appeal. If a sexy male was the only guy in his band and sleeping with all the
                            women, none of you would be complaining. Damn those double standards.

                            You could argue that this is the men's fault, too. They just can't stop thinking with
                            their penises. They always have the option of shutting down any of her advances.

                            If they did, she'd have no reason to use sex appeal to manipulate them.

                            Men who lack self-control and easily give into sex appeal are weak
                            and women know that. If women can use it to their advantage, they should.
                            Those men deserve to be manipulated.


                            I was a professional in the band I mentioned regarding the humble and sweet singer. She looked like a doll, very pretty. She eventually ended up with the guitarist, but I saw that coming from a mile away. Not sure if she ever 'got' with the drummer, but he did flirt with her a bit onstage (might have just been part of the routine). I treated her like a sister, which is probably why we haven't spoken ever since I left the band in late 2006. Might be getting Christmas cards at least if I had acted the horndog. lol j/k
                            (This is my Non-Signature.)

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                            • #74
                              Frontperson type singers are not equal to musicians in a band-or at least they shouldn't be. The singer is the focus, the face of the band. Jagger equal to Watts? No. Not Keef either. Any singer worth backing up should be able to almost make the audience forget there is a band backing them. The idea that a singer who doesn't play an instrument should get less than a musician backing them is strange to me. Usually, it's the other way around. On another thread a guy talked about having to fire the singer and that holding up the progress of the band. If you do music with vocals and you don't have a singer, there is no band. My group has always been instrumental. I could have added a female vocalist and expanded my gig opportunities greatly. But I didn't want to be a backup musician in my own freakin band. I didn't want to be held hostage by a vocalist.

                              Here's my favorite example:

                              Miami sound Machine!!!!
                              Miami Sound Machine w/ Gloria Estefan!!!!!!!
                              Gloria Estefan w/ Miami Sound Machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                              Gloria Estefan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                              Now I'd love to play behind Gloria, but I'd hate to have been a founding member of MSM, unless I happened to be her husband, who was also a member of the band. Anyone remember any of the other guys? Nope.

                              If I'm going to work with a singer, let them be great, really great, and let me play behind them, supporting their greatness. And if they aren't awesome, GTFO.


                              Great post. I agree with all of it.
                              (This is my Non-Signature.)

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                              • #75
                                This board seems to be loaded with bands with female singers...WTF is the deal with this trend? Please tell me it's not about having a hot chick front the band for more or better gigs because that's just wrong IMO.


                                The guitar player I fired back in February kept trying to get a chick into the band, even though we started out with me on vocals/guitar, him on guitar and a drummer (we found a bassist later). It was clear to everybody who the main singer was, yet he kept thinking that if we got some chick in the group, we would have it made. I realized after a while that he was just lazy and thought that if we had a chick frontwoman, we'd have gigs up the wazoo and we could just sit back and watch the dough roll in.

                                Problem was, I'm already the singer. That would be like adding a chick lead singer to The Knack or Nirvana or Seether. There is someone doing that role just fine.

                                After he tried to lie to me about going to Karaoke night and see if we can find someone who might be interested in singing (but meanwhile telling the drummer a different story...that we would be going to see the former lead singer of his old band...who just happened to be at Karaoke that night), I saw the writing on the wall and fired him. I don't regret it other than that I should have done it months earlier.
                                (This is my Non-Signature.)

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