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  • I put a new phone plug on a monster cable

    I have one monster cable. I needed a 30 foot mono shielded cable for a stage monitor quite a few years ago, and the only brand I could find was an expensive "Monster" cable. It did the job for many years and last week it failed by the phone plug - as they all eventually do.

    I know I can send it back, but I keep a supply of 1/4" phone plugs with screw on connectors handy for just this kind of situation.

    I found out why this Monster was so expensive.

    1) Shrink wrap around the connectors at the plug end

    2) The shield was densely braided copper wire - I would guess if it isn't 100% shield it's the closest thing to it - This made it very time consuming to un-braid before twisting together to fit under the phone plug lug

    3) Center conductor was twisted with a second, insulated solid conductor wire inside making it very strong (so that's why this cable is so hard to coil up).

    They did put a lot of money into the manufacture of the cable.

    On the other hand, I still think it's an overkill for what we are using the cable for - way past the point of diminishing returns. It failed like any other cable, and in the same place. I suppose if you were having interference problems, the better shield might be worth the money, but I'd also imagine if the interference was that strong you'd have problems with your pickups and other cables too.

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    I've needed a couple of special-purpose cables recently and ordered them from Sly Goose Cables in Toronto. They were reasonably priced, arrived quickly and seem very good quality. I'm tempted to support local and just order all my new cables from him as the need arises.

    A question: I realise that some cables are aimed at stage use and some at studio use. Based on your experience, is that something to pay close attention to?
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    • #3
      Notes, when dealing with braided shielding with a screw-on jack,, I usually just form a 'pass-thru' hole in the braid for the screw. Faster than trying to twist it and then hook it.
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      • #4
        Thanks Daddymack! Do you have any photos?

        Unbrading this cable took about 10 minutes.

        When I worked in high frequency radio frequency electronics, we had special connectors that slid between the shield and the outer plastic jacket.

        Pogo97 in my home studio there is no difference between studio and gig quality cables.

        They way I figure it, is if I can't hear the difference, my customers can't either.

        On the other hand, I'm not doing demos to send to Nashville or LA either. I don't know if they can hear anything I cannot. My studio is not a pristine listening environment and I do not have mega-thousand per item components.

        I'm basically a live player, it's what I enjoy most. Get up in front of an audience, sing, play various instruments, see the smiles on the faces, watch the dancers enjoying themselves, and hear the applause at the end of the number (or an unusually good service).

        For all my intents and purposes, there is no sonic difference between medium quality cable and the Monster. YMMV.

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        Owner, Norton Music http://www.nortonmusic.com
        Style and Fake disks for Band-in-a-Box and add on styles for Microsoft SongSmith
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        • #5
          Thanks Notes. I'm with you on the "if I can't hear it..." continuum.

          It seems that, in every product category, there's a sweet spot that's not silly expensive and is still satisfactory by the user's standard. Where this falls will vary depending on you, your uses and your bank account.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Notes_Norton View Post
            Thanks Daddymack! Do you have any photos?

            Unbrading this cable took about 10 minutes.

            When I worked in high frequency radio frequency electronics, we had special connectors that slid between the shield and the outer plastic jacket.


            Notes
            sorry, no pix...something I learned in my youth building computer systems....what I do is use an xacto or other pointed metal object to spread the braid apart near the base of the cut-away outer insulation, then pull the center conductor out so I have the braid as a hollow tube. Flatten it, and then using the same tool, closer to the open end, spread the braid again on two sides until I can get the screw through where I want it. Then I hit the braid with solder around the pass through hole and voila.
            "We are currently experiencing some technical difficulties due to reality fluctuations. The elves are working tirelessly to patch the correct version of reality. Activities here have been temporarily disabled since the fundamentals of mathematics, physics and reason may be incomprehensible during this indeterminent period of instability. Normal service will be restored once we are certain as to what 'normal' is."

            Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally used up and worn out, shouting '...man, what a ride!'

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            • #7
              I get ragged on for buying Monster but it's the only way IMO. I buy them once, when they get old I walk into guitar center and return them for a free new one. I probably go through a few a year.
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              • #8
                Thanks daddymack - that's explanatory enough not to need pictures

                Potts, whatever works for you is right for you
                Bob "Notes" Norton
                Owner, Norton Music http://www.nortonmusic.com
                Style and Fake disks for Band-in-a-Box and add on styles for Microsoft SongSmith
                The Sophisticats http://www.s-cats.com >^. .^< >^. .^<

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Potts View Post
                  I get ragged on for buying Monster but it's the only way IMO. I buy them once, when they get old I walk into guitar center and return them for a free new one. I probably go through a few a year.
                  Doesn't GC do that with their LiveWire brand, too? I have one LiveWire cable - a guitar cable. I played a heck of a lot of gigs with it with no problems at all. The only reason I don't use it now is because it's an 18ft cable and I got tired of tripping over it. I switched to a 12ft. It still gets used regularly at band gigs.

                  Lately I've been buying my cables exclusively from Audiopile. VERY nice quality cables, very reasonably priced.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Howie22 View Post

                    Doesn't GC do that with their LiveWire brand, too?
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                    Yup
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                    • #11
                      The best thing about GC are the LiveWire cables and the warranty. Same warranty as Monster cables for a fraction of the price.
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                      • #12
                        Do you have to save your original purchase receipt, or can you just walk in with a busted LiveWire cable and get a new one?

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                        • #13
                          I just walk in with a cable. No receipt needed.
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                          • #14
                            Too bad we don't have one close by.
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                            • #15
                              Yep I use the old warranty trick too. They have it here on planet waves guitar cables, so I buy the heftiest one and replace it every 6 months or so (for free). I also buy "digiflex" xlr cables, which have the same type of warranty
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