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  • Hammond Organ Style Sounds on Roland Fantom XR

    I'm thinking of upgrading to a Roland Fantom rack module. I've always liked the Roland piano sounds but have never been very impressed with their organ sounds.

    I Currently have a JV-1080 sound module and an XP-30 keyboard which are essentially the same sound engine wise and have what I think are very good piano sounds but I also use a Korg X5D that I prefer for organ sounds on live gigs.

    Recently I purchased the M-Audio Key Rig software and although I thought the piano sound sucked I was really impressed with the "electro-magnetic" organ module. It's really a shame I can't use them live but my laptop doesn't have the muscle to play these software programs realtime.

    The big question is..... does the Fantom have better organ sounds and/or do any of the expansion boards have better organ sounds?
    I know the Fantom does sampling. Is it possible to get better organ sound in there that way?
    Gotta have my Guitars, gotta have my Keyboards, gotta have my computers so I can record my Guitars & Keyboards!

  • #2
    I think the Fantom Rack (which hosts a Fantom X in rackmount format) surpasses the XD5 in organ sounds. This holds even more so for the SRX-07 expansion card. To me, SRX-7 offers the best organs I heard in a non-clonwheel package.

    There is a guy at www.fantomized.info who programmed a performance in such a way, that a drawbar B3 is emulated. It's called B4real or something like that. I haven't tried it, but it looks like a very good route.
    Originally Posted by theseamoose


    I'll probably end up selling the Triton and replacing with a PC3x! Then make up some techno babble bull**************** excuse to the wife!!!

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    • #3
      Roland does not make good organ sounds in general.
      "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello"

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      • #4
        SRX-07 is the way to go at present for Hammond/Leslies in a Fantom. The only way to go, as stock organs are awful.

        The Hammond and Leslie are sampled together as a single instrument. There are significant drawbacks doing it this way and there are those who can't stand this approach, but I personally think they're the best B3/Leslie sounds in any rompler today given the current state of Leslie simulation technology.

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        • #5
          Sounds like maybe that SRX-07 may be the way to go. It apparently includes lots of the old JV expansion module sounds.

          I went ahead and ordered the Fantom as I knew I would anyway. An eBay store is selling them for $1190 total as opposed to $1395 quite literally everywhere else.
          Gotta have my Guitars, gotta have my Keyboards, gotta have my computers so I can record my Guitars & Keyboards!

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          • #6
            If you want good organ sounds you really have to get a XK-3, CX-3 or Nord.
            "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello"

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            • #7
              Attempting to make Hammond sounds from a rompler is hazardous to your health. You will break out in hives. You will be struck deaf and blind. Your girlfriend will cheat on you. Your growth will be stunted. You will smell bad and be shunned by society. Your music will suck. Your mother will throw you out of the basement, and you will be forced to get a real job.
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              • #8
                If you play organ on 2-3 songs a night, you can probably get by with the stock sounds in the Fantom. If you play any decent amount of organ, I'd go with a dedicated clone.

                I saw this band recently that did a bunch of old funk and soul and had a lot of organ based keys, and a lot of organ solos. The guy was a good player but he was using a Roland XP80, and it sounded flat and lame.
                My Live Gear: Roland FA-08, Hammond SK1-73, Moog LP
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                • #9
                  Attempting to make Hammond sounds from a rompler is hazardous to your health. You will break out in hives. You will be struck deaf and blind. Your girlfriend will cheat on you. Your growth will be stunted. You will smell bad and be shunned by society. Your music will suck. Your mother will throw you out of the basement, and you will be forced to get a real job.


                  This is exactly why I had to moonlight as an international assassin until I could afford a clone-wheel, luckily I never went blind, though.
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                  • #10
                    If you want good organ sounds you really have to get a XK-3, CX-3 or Nord.


                    It's a tough call; the need for practicality, portability and multi-functionality at local bar room gigs balanced against the desire to emulate sounds that are accurate and inspiring, all while staying within a weekend gig style budget.

                    In my own case I'm still playing guitar for 2/3 to 3/4 of the night so I'm toting a double rig already. Most the keyboard stuff I do requires piano sound so it's the first priority.
                    The Fantom will be a direct replacement for the JV-1080 which can only be an improvement as well as freeing up one rack space.

                    The day will come when I have a portable computer with the muscle to use some of my favorite software synths but until then I'll have to make do with what I have and what I can afford.
                    Gotta have my Guitars, gotta have my Keyboards, gotta have my computers so I can record my Guitars & Keyboards!

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                    • #11
                      It's a tough call; the need for practicality, portability and multi-functionality at local bar room gigs balanced against the desire to emulate sounds that are accurate and inspiring, all while staying within a weekend gig style budget.

                      In my own case I'm still playing guitar for 2/3 to 3/4 of the night so I'm toting a double rig already. Most the keyboard stuff I do requires piano sound so it's the first priority.
                      The Fantom will be a direct replacement for the JV-1080 which can only be an improvement as well as freeing up one rack space.

                      The day will come when I have a portable computer with the muscle to use some of my favorite software synths but until then I'll have to make do with what I have and what I can afford.


                      Ok I understand just do not expect much is the basic point. What MateStubb and Danz88 says is true.
                      "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello"

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                      • #12
                        I just got SRX-07 ... the Hammonds

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                        • #13
                          I just got SRX-07 ... the Hammonds
                          Gotta have my Guitars, gotta have my Keyboards, gotta have my computers so I can record my Guitars & Keyboards!

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                          • #14
                            If you don't like it (and I highly doubt it) you will be able to sell it for almost what you paid for it. It is a highly desirable SRX board.

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                            • #15
                              I found some great B4 samples for my Triton. I actually preferred to use the Triton w/samples, rather than my XK2 for the six months that I was in a situation similar to yours (guit + keys).

                              I don't know if you can load samples in the Fantom, but if you can, it would be worthwhile to check the net for Hammond samples in Roland format.

                              Good Luck.

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