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  • help me choosing a kurzweil for pink floyd covers

    I'd like to get a kurzweil for the pink floyd cover band.

    I'd like to use only one single synth for everything.
    Does that look feasible to you ?
    If so which one should I get ?
    Could I get away with just an old K2000S ?
    (The newer K2500 and K2600 series are above my budget)

    The K2661 would be my upper limit as far as money goes but actually I don't find any info whether or not that one would be OK for my purpose.
    And I don't even see how it is better than the K2000.
    If I get the K2000S I suppose I can easily sample all the sounds from the newer series and put them into the K2000S, no ?

    FYI right now I'm using an XP50 workstation which is OK, I like how I can easily split the board in as many zones as I need and even fade additional sounds in and out with the control faders etc ... But I have the feeling I might be better helped with a Kurzweil. Maybe I'm wrong ...

    Give me your opinions please
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  • #2
    Stay away from the K2000 - its really not that great anymore. IMO the XP-50 sounds better in general. It's very hard to get decent organs and pianos out the K2000. It's also my experience that its too unstable to use live without backup.
    If you can't afford a K2661 I would recommend you to find something else than a Kurzweil.
    <div class="signaturecontainer">Kurzweil PC3X<br />
    Kurzweil K2000</div>

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    • #3
      Kurz organs are not all that. Due to the plethora of parts on some tunes, good luck getting it all set up to play on a single board.
      <div class="signaturecontainer">Moe<br><br>---<br><br>It puts the SINES in the basket, or else it gets the hose again.<br><br><a target="_blank" href="http://www.hotrodmotm.com">http://www.hotrodmotm.com</a></div>

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      • #4
        why not get a K2500r and a CX3 or so then you can have all the Kurz. sounds for <$450 as well as a very good organ. The 2 should set you back less than a K2661.
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        • #5
          I have a k2661 and I can send you some demos of the sound if you want. This machine sound really extremely good. What kind of sounds are you looking for? (because, for example, atom heart mother is a very orchestral album, or maybe you want to modernize the sounds, etc). I think everything for every kind of music is in the K2661 with good sound quality (which would be the same of a k2600 with more sounds, a little less controlers -without the super ribbon which you could add in the future- and less number of keys). In the smart media there are a lot of k2600, k2000 and k2500 sounds (I dont know if it has all the sounds, but it has a big big number of them).

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          • #6
            Kurzweil... a great way to spend way more money than absolutely necessary, to do a simple job with an overcomplicated piece of kit.
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            • #7
              Kurzweil... a great way to spend way more money than absolutely necessary, to do a simple job with an overcomplicated piece of kit.


              I dont feel that i have wasted money with my purchase, is like when we paid for a good food, or a a good TV, the price is given for the big quality and satisfaction that it brings to us... of course you can get good things for less price, but is it the same good than very good or excellent?... in that instance we are paying for quality. What could be expensive is the machine that could not satisfy your expectations for a high prize.

              I have a question: have you had one of those machines?. You said "overcomplicated piece of kit". I dont think it is overcomplicated, the thing is that everybody use to try different forms of options or order, just that. I think every machine is overcomplicated when you do overcomplicated stuff.

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              • #8
                Thank you guys.

                And thanks for the heads up on the K2000.
                Now I googled a bit, it seems indeed unreliable.


                So we'll be doing their more recent songs (say from Meddle and up)
                We might do some older ones too but I don't want to take those into account when choosing a synth.
                So I'd basically need the organs, a good acoustic piano (great gig in the sky), the synthy/string sounds that are all over the place, the analogue leads (e.g. the intro in "shine on" part I, the outro of part VIII), bells, female ohhs and ahhs (we don't have those covered in the band ) etc ...

                I DO have most of these sounds covered with the XP50.
                The strings are horrible and the analogue lead emulation is so-so but it gets the job done. More or less ...

                So the question is :
                "Would the K2661 be an upgrade or not ? "

                Or are there other synth/workstations for $1000-1500 that would be better ?
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                • #9
                  Yes, K2661 is definitely much better that the XP-50. And it should be possible to use it as the only synth. Just place all the patches you need in the right order and use a switch pedal to change between them during the show
                  <div class="signaturecontainer">Kurzweil PC3X<br />
                  Kurzweil K2000</div>

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                  • #10
                    Well first than all, there is a musician (Jon Carin) that supported Pink Floyd in a tour with a k2000:

                    look at the users at the bottom of the website:

                    Jon Carin, supporting Pink Floyd on their 1994 Division Bell Tour (K2000s)

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurzweil_Music_Systems

                    http://www.pinkfloyd-co.com/band/interviews/art-rev/art-sosxtra.html

                    So, we can know that that keyboard is usefull to play Pink Floyd.

                    About the k2661 and the sounds you are looking for, i think pianos are very good in Kurzweil keyboards, even in the Kme 61 it sounds good, so you dont need to be worried about the Kurzweil pianos. Analog sounds are very good in general, same for strings. About organs, I dont use them, but I think they sound good. Check these PC3x sounds, In my opinion the k2661 doesnt sound too different in general than that big monster (at the right of the website there are more demos of the sounds, including organs):

                    http://www.garageband.com/artist/pc3demos/songs

                    Video of the PC3x

                    http://www.hispasonic.com/videos/sonidos-kurzweil-pc3x

                    And my own music with the k2661, but the recording session sucks. I connected the keyboard only in the microphone in, and with a default sound card. Anyway the sounds of the machine can be appreciated which is the important thing here:

                    Some experimental electronic stuff (drums loops mostly downloaded from internet)

                    http://www.sendspace.com/file/dtkt4o

                    Orchestral preset sounds:

                    http://www.sendspace.com/file/vg9obq

                    and a Tetris cover made with presets without editing anything, which was the first thing I recorded, but the recording sound suck (but i am improving my recording sessions and everything, I bought this machine just 2 months ago)

                    http://www.sendspace.com/file/jmm00x

                    cheers!

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                    • #11


                      I have a question: have you had one of those machines?. You said "overcomplicated piece of kit". I dont think it is overcomplicated, the thing is that everybody use to try different forms of options or order, just that. I think every machine is overcomplicated when you do overcomplicated stuff.


                      Nope! And if I COULD afford a Kurz I'd probably think rather differently Perhaps overcomplicated was a bad choice of words but I still stand by my comment about them being more money than you really need to spend to do a very simple job.
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                      <a href="http://www.myspace.com/draegonrocks" target="_blank">...and the myspace page</a><br />
                      <br />
                      <b>New Album, &quot;Hold Back The Night&quot;, now available! See website or myspace for details</b></div>

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                      • #12
                        Well, I respect your opinion, but I personally would pay more for more quality if i am making an investment, but everybody can have a different opinion, which is respectable. About the money you need to spend, it has relation with the music you want to play and the results you want to get of your investment.

                        The k2661 is a big piece of keyboard, which has amazing preset sounds and amazing synth technology (VAST). About the sound quality, which is the most important thing to me, it is just thing of read the opinions and comments, i havent seen a bad one yet:

                        http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Keyboard+And+MIDI/product/Kurzweil/K2661/10/1

                        1)
                        "I haven't found a sound that is not included in the presets and farm. I can't find a Vox Continental Organ yet, though? Everything else is there if you add the vintage Keys card. Best Whirley Electric I'v heard, as well as the Rhodes. I could never keep my 1973 Rhodes in ture. This one sounds better, and is actually in tune.
                        I bought this instrument for sound quality and the vintage keys ROM.
                        This is the real stuff."

                        2)
                        "The main attraction of this synth is the sounds. This is the first keyboard I've played in ages that sounds and feels organic, like a real instrument. Hooray! I despaired that such a synth would ever be made again. How different it is from the plasticky, swamped-in-FX boards so ubiquitous right now. And a special mention must go to KB3 mode, a real delight. So easy to use and customise, and the praise I get for it's authenticity from fellow musos and seasoned crews alike tell their own story. It easily equals any Hammond clone out there."


                        3)
                        "Often I have heard "only the Motif gets close"... well, it's simply not true. I sold my Motif to buy this beast, and never regret. This is a truly professional-sounding instrument, even the Motif has some taste of plastic compared to K2661."

                        4)
                        "Well this is the most powerfull thing on the 2661...the sounds!!!! just amazing, all stiles pianos, KB3 organs(they all rock), analog, pads, etc. etc, nothing about the sounds is a waste on this machine. Forget about Roland and Korg, these are toys compare to the K2661, only the Motif would get a bit closer...."

                        ...etc...

                        I know it cost a lot of money, thats why everybody need to analyze their needs and make a balance about what they really want, what they really need, and what they can spend.

                        pd: excuse me my english, it sucks, I know.

                        pd2: I dont work for Kurzweil or something like that, i just bought this machine some months ago and this was very difficult to me to make a decision (i tried fantom, M3, etc). i want just to be helpful, i know it is hard to spend that amount in a thing that could result in the total regret of the purchase. The main thing is to try the machine in the store. if you dont like Kurz, i would recommend Motif Es or Fantom X, but it is not the same in my opinion. Maybe it is just my taste thats different.

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                        • #13
                          The Who used both the K2600 and K2661 along with 2 B3's (2 Leslies) on their last world tour and the rig sounded phenomenal. I was lucky enough to have a friend stand in for their N. Am. tour when Rabbit went home to care for his wife. Brian took me on a stage and backstage tour, after seeing their setup and hearing it live I bought the K2500r and love it. Now the rack was only $450 loaded with all the sounds in it from the kybd version. I just think the the Kurz. samples they used for their roms are a higher quality than the others but as in everything YMMV.
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                          • #14
                            GET A GRIP
                            THIS IS YOUR FUTURE,
                            YOUR LIFE.....
                            DONT GET BY ON CRAP.
                            BUY GOOD STUFF.Now you have no
                            excuse if you aren't really that good.
                            K2661
                            PRACTICE

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                            • #15
                              Our band covered most of the Pulse live set (DSOTM, The Wall etc) and I used predominantly an XP50 with vintage card added and an Emu Esynth for sample triggering (clocks, aeroplanes, cash registers etc). I quickly changed from the XP50 to the XP80 to allow for more keys per split. Although I'd happily swap my XP for a Kurz, I must admit that with the Floyd set I never felt that my rig was at all lacking.

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