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    How exactly do direct outs on a mixer work? Do they pass the audio directly after the input? Or does the audio pass through the EQ, Inserts etc... before being bussed to the direct out?
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  • #2
    The former.

    No EQ, no inserts, etc.

    Sometimes they bypass the pre (if there is one), sometimes they don't.

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    • #3
      Bummer. I'd really like to get an A&H Mixwizard, but the lack of sub outs kinda kills it for me. And using the direct outs is useless, cause i want those killer EQs =o] This old A&H board i just got is nice, but it's so big! And it doesn't have the same EQs as the newer A&H boards. I need the sub outs for recording. I may have to end up with the 1604. But damn i don't like the Mackie EQs. Very unmusical!
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      • #4
        I think mixers color everything you plug into them, plus they introduce noise no matter what.

        I have 2 synths plugged directly into the audio interface. EQ, etc. is done with software. But I have a problem: the recorded signal is low [even with the synths' volumes all the way up] and the audio interface has no gain adjustment in its software control panel So I always end up "normalizing" the audio in Wavelab. I hate having to do that, but I have no choice with this setup.

        I only compose & record music at home, though. If you're a gigger, you'll need a mixer of course
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        • #5
          I know they color everything, but some mixers have a better color pallet than others =o]
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          • #6
            Let me know the exact model and I'll find out for you.
            Some are PRE/POST EQ.
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            • #7
              It really depnds on which model you're thinking about, but the aux outs on a lot of Mixwizards are switichible pre/post in blocks, so that you could just run them to individual aux sends... ie. Mic-> pre ->eq -> aux -> recorder.

              If what you want is the EQ, then just run it back through the board at mixdown (assuming that you can do a multichannel playback), and you can eq each channel.

              Also, I find that most things sound better if I don't have to use EQ, so I don't find myself needing a bunch of EQs during tracking. But YMMV.
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              • #8
                Larry, be more specific about what you want to do. I'm guessing the MixWiz can do what you want, but maybe in a way that hasn't ocurred to you.

                If it's as simple as separate feeds for recording and monitoring, the MixWiz should be able to do it via the bus outs and monitor outs.

                Not trying to be condescending here, I just know that the more time I spend learning about my particular mixer, the more ways I realize it can accomplish various routing.

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                • #9
                  i have a mix wiz 2 not 3 and my direct outs are post. i talked w/a&h and they say you can configure it per chan w/jumpers. i prefer pre...

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                  • #10
                    Larry, be more specific about what you want to do. I'm guessing the MixWiz can do what you want, but maybe in a way that hasn't ocurred to you.

                    If it's as simple as separate feeds for recording and monitoring, the MixWiz should be able to do it via the bus outs and monitor outs.

                    Not trying to be condescending here, I just know that the more time I spend learning about my particular mixer, the more ways I realize it can accomplish various routing.


                    Basically, since the Mixwizards don't have sub outs, i thought one could use the direct outs, which you could. But then they would bypass the EQ, which would be a scenario i wouldn't want. But as stated above, someone says you can configure it via jumpers. Of course, this is all wishful thinking at this point, as i don't even have a Mixwizard =o] I use the 4 Bus Outputs on my mixer for recording. I have an M Audio Delta 44, so 4 sub outs work perfect. There is always the Korg D3200 rout as well. That will give me 12 channel recording. But i don't get the killer A&H EQs =o]
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                    • #11
                      How exactly do direct outs on a mixer work? Do they pass the audio directly after the input? Or does the audio pass through the EQ, Inserts etc... before being bussed to the direct out?


                      There's no rule what does it pass through - that part is left to designers. Answer to your question is explained in the (each) mixer manual.

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                      • #12
                        I have 2 synths plugged directly into the audio interface. EQ, etc. is done with software. But I have a problem: the recorded signal is low
                        This is why we have preamps. You could get yourself a GreatRiver, or if want to save some cash, build yourself a Hamptone preamp with J-FET transistors. If you add a good quality transformers at i/o stage you'll get a kickass preamp in the class of API with really HUGE sound (there is coloration, but a GOOD one, specially with the harmonics mod). For stereo you'd need two. But even just the basic Hamtpone w/o transformer will give you sound like the $700 Avalon.

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                        • #13
                          Also, alot of audio interfaces have a switchable attenuation (-10, 0, +4). It's usually software controlled.

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                          • #14
                            It appears that the Allen & Heath 14:4:2 would be what i need.
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                            • #15
                              Also, alot of audio interfaces have a switchable attenuation (-10, 0, +4). It's usually software controlled.


                              Yes. I always set my audio interface to match the unbalanced outputs of my synths:

                              Synth [-10] ----> 1/4" unbalanced cables ----> audio interface [set to -10]

                              The recorded signal is always weak/low volume.

                              There's no "0". It's either -10 or +4.
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