Members pulse765 Posted August 25, 2009 Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 What would be your recommendation for a keyboard (or midi controller / software combination) to cover Richard Wright's parts in Pink Floyd? I'm looking for a jack of all trades to cover such things as: Farfisa Compact organHammond organsHammond B3/C3Minimoog type soundsRhodes electric pianoEtc. Here's a list of keyboards he's used over the years - I wouldn't need to cover all of these Any recommendations?He used Kurzweil K2000's in the later part of his career. I think he switched to 2600's at the end. That line seems to have been discontinued. Is the PC3X the successor to the 2600 line? I'm more of a guitar player but am looking to expand my coverage, particularly of my favorite band. What do you all think? -K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evildragon Posted August 25, 2009 Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 Yeah, Kurzweil is probably the way to go. If you don't need full 88-key keyboard, you might lift yourself a PC361! PC series are not direct descendants of K series, simply because K series have sampler, and PC series do not. We're still waiting for K3000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tomkeen Posted August 25, 2009 Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 I think the PC3x is a great keyboard, but I don't think you can cover Floyd with just one board. The PC3x will get you very close though... Just check Sonikmatter, especially the download section. There are a few great Floyd sounds available there already, and the presets also offer some instantly useable Floyd-esque sounds. If it were me, I would go PC3x and add a couple of modules, since the PC3x is also a great midi-controller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pulse765 Posted August 25, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 Yeah, Kurzweil is probably the way to go. If you don't need full 88-key keyboard, you might lift yourself a PC361! PC series are not direct descendants of K series, simply because K series have sampler, and PC series do not. We're still waiting for K3000 I was wondering about that. Are they working on it? It seems odd to just stop a product line without introducing the replacement. The K2600 has such old tech like 25-pin external SCSI. I'm not sure where you'd get a cable let alone a drive for that these days. -K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evildragon Posted August 25, 2009 Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 It will be here. It's just a matter of time. Remember, Kurzweil went through bankrupcy and they're still getting back on their feet. Next is PC3LE coming, that will probably sell a lot because of price/performance/sound quality ratio, and it will hopefully get them enough funds to R&D the real succesor to K2600. Just keep fingers crossed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pulse765 Posted August 25, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 It will be here. It's just a matter of time. Remember, Kurzweil went through bankrupcy and they're still getting back on their feet. Next is PC3LE coming, that will probably sell a lot because of price/performance/sound quality ratio, and it will hopefully get them enough funds to R&D the real succesor to K2600. Just keep fingers crossed Ah, I didn't know they went through bankruptcy. Perhaps I should start with a used 2600 and see what that can get me. -K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Pro Posted August 25, 2009 Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 Used K2000's show up on eBay all the time, along with parts, accessories, sound libraries etc. And especially since you're not a fulltime keyboard player and prolly don't want to fork out the bux for a new PC3x, a used K2000 will get you where you want for relatively cheap. Buyer beware - you want one that didn't ride out Katrina in somebody's basement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mate_stubb Posted August 25, 2009 Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 One Keyboard To Rule Them AllOne Keyboard To Cover ThemOne Keyboard To Upstage Them AllAnd In The Floydness Bind Them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pulse765 Posted August 25, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 One Keyboard To Rule Them AllOne Keyboard To Cover ThemOne Keyboard To Upstage Them AllAnd In The Floydness Bind Them. Muhahaha! -K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pulse765 Posted August 25, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 Used K2000's show up on eBay all the time, along with parts, accessories, sound libraries etc. And especially since you're not a fulltime keyboard player and prolly don't want to fork out the bux for a new PC3x, a used K2000 will get you where you want for relatively cheap. Buyer beware - you want one that didn't ride out Katrina in somebody's basement. Are hurricane flooded keyboards a common sight on eBay? -K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dave Bryce Posted August 25, 2009 Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 PC series are not direct descendants of K series, simply because K series have sampler, and PC series do not. Disagree. As far as I can tell, the PC3 uses the same VAST engine as the K series synths, but with more polyphony and more processing power (e.g. Cascade mode, better fx, etc). By your logic, K series synths that do not have the sampling option are not K series synths. dB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evildragon Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 PC series don't even have sampling as an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Strenge Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 Part of this m50 little demo seems to do Floyd very well (around 1 minute on) [YOUTUBE]FkhmSZSXDzY[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dave Bryce Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 PC series don't even have sampling as an option. Yes, I understand that....but my point was that sampling, which you used as the benchmark of why the PC3 is not a direct descendant of the K series, is not an integral part of the VAST/K series engine - it's an option. Some people (me, for example) don't like to sample, and have never had a K series synth with the sampling option. dB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TropicThink Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 Yes, I understand that....but my point was that sampling, which you used as the benchmark of why the PC3 is not a direct descendant of the K series, is not an integral part of the VAST/K series engine - it's an option. Some people (me, for example) don't like to sample, and have never had a K series synth with the sampling option. dB But can you even load samples into that thing? I love my K2600XS, but would not have bought it were it not for the ability to at least load sample data into it. The PC series were always Kurzweil's 'affordable' line of synths / digital pianos. The PC3 sports some awesome specs, and it's a very nice and powerful synth, but that's just because it's 2009 and because there isn't a 'K' alternative at this point in time. Of course Kurzweil put the V.A.S.T and VA-1 stuff in there - it's not like it was going to cost them a fortune to do so. If there were a K3000 launched at the same time I'm sure we could all agree that it would of course be in a different league from the PC3 in more ways than just allowing you to sample stuff. The old PC88 wasn't even a synth, IIRC - it was a digital piano. Didn't even have a filter cut off control. In other words, not comparable to the K2000 at the time. And as far as I remember, in it's review of the PC2, Keyboard Magazine described it as a "MIDI controller with built in sounds." The PC3 is a nice instrument, but it's not what a K series instrument would have been had one been out today. It's a PC synth on a truckload of steroids and a bunch of "K" DNA stuffed into it. That it actually surpasses the K2600 in many respects is just due to the time that has passed since 1999. It's still a fairly cheap synth - for a Kurzweil, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OFM Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 But can you even load samples into that thing? I love my K2600XS, but would not have bought it were it not for the ability to at least load sample data into it. The PC series were always Kurzweil's 'affordable' line of synths / digital pianos. The PC3 sports some awesome specs, and it's a very nice and powerful synth, but that's just because it's 2009 and because there isn't a 'K' alternative at this point in time. Of course Kurzweil put the V.A.S.T and VA-1 stuff in there - . If there were a K3000 launched at the same time I'm sure we could all agree that it would of course be in a different league from the PC3 in more ways than just allowing you to sample stuff. which is cheap for a Kurzweil instrument. The old PC88 wasn't even a synth, IIRC - it was a digital piano. Didn't even have a filter cut off control. In other words, not comparable to the K2000 at the time. And as far as I remember, in it's review of the PC2, Keyboard Magazine described it as a "MIDI controller with built in sounds." The PC3 is a nice instrument, but it's not what a K series instrument would have been had one been out today. It's a PC synth on a truckload of steroids and a bunch of "K" DNA stuffed into it. That it actually surpasses the K2600 in many respects is just due to the time that has passed since 1999. It's still a fairly cheap synth - for a Kurzweil, that is. I agree with TropicThink ... Im still waiting to see a new K series, hope its soon otherwise Ill go for something else ... Cheers, OFM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evildragon Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 I guess it's nowhere near soon. R&D takes time. And I'm sure Kurzweil wishes to surprise everyone once again, so it's gonna be a wait, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TropicThink Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 And I'm sure Kurzweil wishes to surprise everyone once again... Now that good ole' Ray is back at the office I think you might very well be onto something. As for me, I guess I'm going to have to wait until they roll out the K4000 before I actually get a 3000, since I'll only be able to afford one when everyone dumping it in favour of something fresh and new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evildragon Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 You're gonna wait a looooooooong time then You might as well start living life like Ray does, special diet and all that stuff, just to be cybernetized or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OFM Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 I guess it's nowhere near soon. R&D takes time. And I'm sure Kurzweil wishes to surprise everyone once again, so it's gonna be a wait, I guess. I love Kurzweil ... as long as they come out with a real "upgrade" and not a retouched K2600 Ill be happy, when I mean upgrade I mean a bigger LCD, USB, drum pads, assignable knobs, full PC/Mac Editor, upgraded RAM etc... etc...oh yeah and please include me that VA-1 that I already waited long enough for the real one who never appeared as a standalone unit other than the PC3X which I have no interest at all to purchase... We'll see. OFM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TropicThink Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 You're gonna wait a looooooooong time then You might as well start living life like Ray does, special diet and all that stuff, just to be cybernetized or something Yes, I guess I'm going to have to wait a while..... bleh.... good thing time FLIES, eh? I can't believe we're well into 2009 already, it's scary. Couldn't live like Ray. Life's too short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dave Bryce Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 But can you even load samples into that thing? I love my K2600XS, but would not have bought it were it not for the ability to at least load sample data into it. That option does not exist on the PC3...but once again putting SIMMs into the VAST synths is an option. They're still K series synths without it...and the PC3 is a direct descendant. The VAST engine has always been what defines a K series synth - regardless of what options it was outfitted with - and the PC3 certainly has that and then some. One of my K2000s has neither SIMMs nor the sampling option, and my PC3 is pretty much the same thing to me...just on mega steroids. I'm not an expert on all the PC models, but as far as I can tell, most of what the PC3/PC3X shares with the earlier PC models is the price point and the name. dB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jjdugan3 Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 Here's an interesting (it's ok.) video of DSI's Tetra 4 voice take of Pink Floyd's "On The Run".Via Matrixsynth. http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2009/08/dave-smith-instruments-tetra-pink.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members augerinn Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 Rick Wright used a K-2000 on tour. There's a patch out there written by the Kurz developers that mimics "On the run " very closely. A K series, or the PC-3, would be an excellent choice for playing out live, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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