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  • Thank heaven for backups...

    Well, the unthinkable happened... the 3.5 year old HD in my iMac took a dump.

    My local Apple store replaced it in a hurry (with a bigger drive), and gave it back to me with a fresh install of OSX 10.6.3.

    Being a good computer user, I've been running Time Machine backups with an external WD drive. Regardless, I've never had to restore a drive from a backup before, and was very nervous.

    Amazingly, Time Machine did it's thing, and my system is now completely restored.
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    Michael
    Jupiter-50, MOX6, TI Polar, Moog LP, Korg Micro X, JV-1080
    27" iMac, DP 7.24, Omnisphere, Alchemy, many more...
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    Had to do the same this month with *two* computers (one via death of a hard drive, one because of a f'n rootkit... )
    What I make with way too many blinky light modular items, plugins, and an Alesis Andromeda.
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    • #3
      Yes I have been bitten by HDD failures numerous times over the years, particularly recent as I believe QC is slipping at the factories that make 'em. But I was taught long ago (in the Atari ST floppy disk days) that data doesn't really exist unless it exists in at least 2 separate places. Been a devout backup guy ever since. Saved my skin a few times too.
      Currently employed: Korg Kronos/61, Korg CX-3 v2, Korg Radias w/kb, Roland Fantom-S/61, Roland D-550, Yamaha MU100r, Kawai K4r, a bunch o' guitars with a couple of amps, a few pedals, ASUS G74SX PC with 12 GB/7.5TB/Win7-64bit running Sonar X1 with a few NI soft-synths.

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      • #4
        You're only as good as your last backup.

        Something my son learnt when he realised his experimentation with dual booting his pc didn't go quite as well as planned.
        Yamaha RM1x, Yamaha AN1x, Zoom RFX1000, Xenyx 1202, Akai MPD24, Reaper, Reason ? no discernable talent.

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        • #5
          As an IT guy, I may say: there are two categories of people - those, who are making backups, and those, who WILL be doing backups

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          • #6
            One has to wonder what is going on over at Apple. Is there a crink in the armor? Not an expert by any means, so I ask is this(3.5)the average lifespan for one of these HD's?
            The reason I ask is my daughter's husband works at Pfzier and was able to purchase a Macbook at a very good price. As I understand, they used it for personal and some business needs, but not overly used. Recently the hard drive burned up on them, and it was only 8 months old.
            She said once she began telling other's of this, one or two of her friends said their hard drives burned up within the warranty period as well.

            I use my Dell desktop hard drive extensively, have had it over 7 years and it still works fine.

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            • #7
              Not an expert by any means, so I ask is this(3.5)the average lifespan for one of these HD's?


              The warranty period for most hard drives is between 1 and 3 years. The hard drive that failed for me was about 4 and 1/2 years old.

              Normally I would start to get nervous about a hard drive over 5 years old (eg not put anything critical on it) but not before then. I do think manufacturing quality of PC parts has fallen in recent years so I'm not so sure now.

              Hard drive failure is really only one reason to do full backups. I've probably used backups more often to get a file I've accidentally overwritten or changed then to do a full system restore.
              What I make with way too many blinky light modular items, plugins, and an Alesis Andromeda.
              Forbidden Star: home studio / melodic ambient / New Age / the deep zone
              Boney Fiend: the band, man / punk / garage / beer

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              • #8
                I failed and didn't make back ups of all my more recent tracks. And now the HD that they're all on is not being seen by my PC. I don't know if it failed or what, but it's not there. And now i can't get to those tracks.
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                • #9
                  And now i can't get to those tracks.


                  Well, that's unfortunate. I'm not a tech guru, so I don't have any suggestions as to how to try and access a drive that has become unreachable.

                  The Mac OS has a built in feature called "Time Machine" that does incremental backups every hour, automatically. About all you have to do is plug in a drive, designate it for backups, and turn Time Machine on. I never knew for sure if it worked or not until yesterday.

                  If you're not doing full backups, simply saving copies of songs to a USB stick is a good idea. This is what I used to do.

                  Regarding quality control issues at Apple... my guess is that the drives inside their machines (like my iMac) is simply a drive made by WD, Seagate, or any of the major manufacturers.
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                  Michael
                  Jupiter-50, MOX6, TI Polar, Moog LP, Korg Micro X, JV-1080
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                  • #10
                    All the guys around me at work know to keep all their work on a server having a managed backup and not rely on their laptop hard drives as they almost always take a dump. But what to do with personal stuff on home computers? I don't have a laptop at home anymore, but we do have a couple of desk tops. I have been meaning to ask here if anyone uses an online backup service and whether you would or would not recommend your particular service. I think that it would be a good idea to backup my stuff online some place, especially all of my family photos.

                    As for laptop hard drive failure rates, as I posted in a different thread about 1 in 5 laptops will fail due to a hardware issue during their first three years of use. Apple is in the middle of the pack. I just think this is "par for the course" for laptops and a necessary risk one takes using them. So keep your stuff backed up and consider your laptop a relatively non-stable system. Any anecdotal comments like "my brand X laptop lasted 8 years without a failure" are just that: anecdotal, and do not take into account a sufficient sample size to be relevant.


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                    • #11
                      I failed and didn't make back ups of all my more recent tracks. And now the HD that they're all on is not being seen by my PC. I don't know if it failed or what, but it's not there. And now i can't get to those tracks.


                      I feel your pain, man. The exact same thing happened to me last year. I was scared ****************less at the mere thought of a HDD failure so I bought two of the (supposedly) most fail-resistant discs on the market, and put them in RAID mode. And what do you know, about a year and a half later one of them couldn't be found. "**************** it" I thought, "I still have that other disc and my seven years older computer that has the cheapest disc available at the time has never failed" and kept going. Sure enough, a couple of months later the other disc failed too. Must've been a bad batch or something. That got me fed up with computers and I bought a tape recorder porta.
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                      • #12
                        I failed and didn't make back ups of all my more recent tracks. And now the HD that they're all on is not being seen by my PC. I don't know if it failed or what, but it's not there. And now i can't get to those tracks.


                        If it's SATA, bring it by and I'll do a recovery on it. If it's an older IDE drive or an external drive, you may have to leave it for a couple days. Regardless, let's see what we can do.
                        Best Regards, James
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                        • #13


                          The Mac OS has a built in feature called "Time Machine" that does incremental backups every hour, automatically. About all you have to do is plug in a drive, designate it for backups, and turn Time Machine on. I never knew for sure if it worked or not until yesterday.


                          How much memory does it take to do this? I have a Mybook 500g usb drive that I have been putting logic project folders on, and the iMac keeps aking me if I want to use time machine but I have been saying no cuz i wasn't really sure what it was.
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                          • #14
                            How much memory does it take to do this? I have a Mybook 500g usb drive that I have been putting logic project folders on, and the iMac keeps aking me if I want to use time machine but I have been saying no cuz i wasn't really sure what it was.


                            I am not an expert on this, but ideally the drive used for Time Machine should be at least as large as the drive you're backing up.

                            I believe you have to use a drive dedicated for Time Machine use, or a drive that is partitioned (whereby you can specify a partition).
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                            Michael
                            Jupiter-50, MOX6, TI Polar, Moog LP, Korg Micro X, JV-1080
                            27" iMac, DP 7.24, Omnisphere, Alchemy, many more...
                            http://www.youtube.com/keybdwizrd

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                            • #15
                              Since we are talking hard drive failures and backups...

                              My 2-year old 500Gb backup USB hard drive died last month. It pisses me off greatly... especially since I've had problems with all my other machines (two) last year. So now I have to go out and buy another one. Great. And people ask me, why do I keep my music stuff away from computers...

                              By the way, how much more reliable are SSDs supposed to be compared to regular hard drives? Would I be better off in the long run by buying one of those instead?
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