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  • #61
    Considering that KRONOS 61 will cost $3000 in the US, which is 25% more than the Motif XF6 (and maybe be 1.5 times as high as the Motif XS6 which probably is being blown out for under $1800), I see lots of people choosing the cheaper Motif, especially with the current economy. I also see lots of people going for much cheaper Korg M50 61 or Yamaha MO6 and M-Audio Venom combo.

    So again, the end of the Motif is highly exaggerated. If the KRONOS really catches on and wins strong sales by this Fall or Winter (though I strongly believe it will), and if the sales of the Motif XF end up not as good, then Yamaha will probably have to alter their marketing and pricing. However these things don't happen overnight and the Motif XF would probably enjoy good sales for a few more years.

    However, I do hope that Yamaha took a serious warning with the release of the original OASYS and considerably enhanced up their development efforts. The Motif XF is obviously a transitional model and probably the last in the series, developed with only "limited resources available", to according to Yamaha US. So there is probably something big going on up there in Japan. But even if not, this is not the end of Yamaha, they are much larger than Korg and have far more diversity. Even if Yamaha next-generation flagship will not be able to match the price and feature level of KRONOS, they could just continue to sell lower-end keyboards like the MO-series and MM-series for quite some time.

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    • #62
      Considering that KRONOS 61 will cost $3000 in the US, which is 25% more than the Motif XF6 (and maybe be 1.5 times as high as the Motif XS6 which probably is being blown out for under $1800), I see lots of people choosing the cheaper Motif, especially with the current economy. I also see lots of people going for much cheaper Korg M50 61 or Yamaha MO6 and M-Audio Venom combo.

      So again, the end of the Motif is highly exaggerated. If the KRONOS really catches on and wins strong sales by this Fall or Winter (though I strongly believe it will), and if the sales of the Motif XF end up not as good, then Yamaha will probably have to alter their marketing and pricing. However these things don't happen overnight and the Motif XF would probably enjoy good sales for a few more years.

      However, I do hope that Yamaha took a serious warning with the release of the original OASYS and considerably enhanced up their development efforts. The Motif XF is obviously a transitional model and probably the last in the series, developed with only "limited resources available", to according to Yamaha US. So there is probably something big going on up there in Japan. But even if not, this is not the end of Yamaha, they are much larger than Korg and have far more diversity. Even if Yamaha next-generation flagship will not be able to match the price and feature level of KRONOS, they could just continue to sell lower-end keyboards like the MO-series and MM-series for quite some time.


      I don't think anyone is saying "The End of the Motif", but more the Motif is no longer "Top Dog" (save a few of those PC3 NUTJOBS!).
      Live Keys Rig:
      Yamaha XS7-Korg M50-61-QSC K12 Monitor (Korg Kronos 73 will replace M50 once programmed)
      Guitar Rig:
      Fender Strats-Gibson Les Paul Classic-Ibanez 3220 TW (Quilt), Mesa Mark IV, RM4-RT2/50, Crate V3112, and a bunch of pedals/modules
      Bass Rig:
      Mike Lull M5-Ashdown ABM 500 RC-Bergantino Cabs, A handful of pedals.

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      • #63
        I'm looking at the sequencer specs of the Motif and I can't find where it says that it has audio tracks. With all that new flash memory, they still can't do audio tracks? For real? 16 MIDI + 16 Phrase tracks (whatever that means), and that's it?

        Hmmm 3,499 for the Motif XF8
        3,799 for the Kronos 88

        Yes Yamaha should be VERY worried. I'm thinking the XF8 will sell under 3000 in no time...
        http://www.reverbnation.com/christianschulze

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        • #64
          Yam XF =

          low power drain (check it against you know what)

          If you like how it sounds why look elsewhere

          Tons and tons of patterns etc

          The transport switches LOOK like the nice ones on my MV... IE not wobberwii or hard click yuckyness that some other gear cheaps out with (never had a Yam XF so only sayin it LOOKS that way)

          You can show your friends Berts vids if you can't play it Seriously, although it can behave like an arranger, it sounds a little more hip and modern. All the buttons give control if that's what your into.

          Yamaha are offering new sounds

          The WAVE ROM is still very large. Lots and lots of sounds

          If someone connects with its work flow and is inspired by the overall facilities and set up, why not... better may not be best for them...

          I don't think Yamaha will drop the price... They are so big they probably don't care that much. It is what it is and if it sells it sells...

          I am not into the type of sound focus of this kind of ROMpler, but I recall hearing someone sing and play a Yamaha and it's tone seemed to suit that Human voice conventional instrument kind of vibe.. I can see why some may love Yamaha.

          世界で最高のシンセはmicroKORGにある

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          • #65
            Seriously, I have never even considered power drain until you started bringing it up.

            Is that important to anyone at all?
            http://www.reverbnation.com/christianschulze

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            • #66
              Seriously, I have never even considered power drain until you started bringing it up.

              Is that important to anyone at all?


              to mankind yes ;-)
              世界で最高のシンセはmicroKORGにある

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              • #67
                I don't think anyone is saying "The End of the Motif"


                I believe this has been said several times in the KRONOS thread.

                but more the Motif is no longer "Top Dog"


                Yamaha could probably care less if the Motif still sells - again, this was their semi-official reaction to the release of the OASYS keyboard.

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                • #68
                  They do have audio tracks in the sequencer; technically they call it "Integrated Sampling Sequencer" so this involves user sample waveforms and MIDI notes, however these details are handled transparently by the OS, so you only see audio phrases.

                  You can loop the audio, then automatically slice the audio into multiple fragments containing individual notes, then apply loop remix and tempo change. You can even export the complete song to Cubase using their AI extensions for Motif.

                  The drawbacks are the loading time, the 32 Mbyte sample limit (mono), and the overall limit of 16 tracks (no matter audio or MIDI).


                  Hmmm that doesn't really sound like audio tracks... it sounds like MIDI tracks in the sequencer that trigger user-loaded samples rather than ROM samples.

                  Audio tracks is when I record my acoustic guitar, vocals, ocarina etc as part of the song... at least that's how I see it, am I wrong in my definition?
                  http://www.reverbnation.com/christianschulze

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                  • #69
                    Yam.com - User Manual - Read - tell us what you find ....... ;-)
                    世界で最高のシンセはmicroKORGにある

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                    • #70
                      Like I said, I didn't see it in the specs, I'm assuming it's not there. My initial post about it was in bewilderment, I wasn't asking for an answer... I already know it doesn't do audio tracks
                      http://www.reverbnation.com/christianschulze

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                      • #71
                        Forgiven.

                        You may pass.

                        Hurrr. Derp, derp, derp.

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                        • #72
                          世界で最高のシンセはmicroKORGにある

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                          • #73
                            ISS is what they called the sampler section of the RS7000, the UI was brilliant on that I thought, imagine the Motif works the same way.

                            I dont want a workstation with a big keyboard though, just everything else, RS>9000 plox.
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                            • #74
                              Huh, what the....?

                              You can probably move these audio phrases to flash memory as well, however user waveforms need to be assignesd unique names and I'm not sure if this is handled automatically or requires some manual work.


                              "Probably-I'm not sure"??
                              http://www.yamahasynth.com please check the user manuals and then: Shoot the SH_t!!
                              Why write that 'I' "guess" sh_t about XF at all? Learn facts first, then spout general info later, 'pleaese', that sounds so rediculous coming from folks I thought had a clue, even a small one. Come on, get over it.
                              Yamaha rocks is rock solid, that's all there is too it. They aren't leaving the game because some other maker developed a fine new model. Motif XF/XS with KARMA.
                              DiffeRANT strokes for differAnt mediocre folks. 'Peace me off' much!!
                              Hey wise apples read this reply, to a Motivator user's question, from Yamaha programmer DavePolich:

                              Q. I wonder how Yamaha will respond to Korg in the the short term. They could/should:

                              1. Drastically reduce the price of the Flash and Firewire boards
                              2. Include additional free content
                              3. Provide the CP1/CP5 model pianos as a software upgrade (no charge)
                              5. Reduce the price of the XF series
                              6. Provide a low cost upgrade to Karma

                              Ans. from DavePollich.
                              Yamaha already provides plenty of free content in the form of Inspiration In a Flash. You can also download Xspand Your World which is even more
                              free content.

                              A CP1 software upgrade will never happen. That would require a different hardware chip for the XF. You already have plenty of great pianos available from third-party developers anyway..have you checked out the
                              Sonic Reality Rock Grand Piano? 500 MB, and it
                              Yamaha Motif XF 8
                              Yamaha DTX-MULTI 12
                              Yamaha LG-800
                              Yamaha F C 7
                              Yamaha PSS 680
                              Yamaha DD5
                              Yamaha PS PC-50

                              Radio for music listeners
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                              "Is that a real poncho, or is that a Sears poncho" FVZ

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                              • #75
                                I still have to wonder how many people buy these instruments based mostly on 1) the way they sound, and 2) the price. Period.
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                                Michael
                                Jupiter-50, MOX6, TI Polar, Moog LP, Korg Micro X, JV-1080
                                27" iMac, DP 7.24, Omnisphere, Alchemy, many more...
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