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  • Seems like there are a lot of pissed off synth owners out there ....

    I'm not calling any specific individuals or groups out here who own certain synths, because this is certainly a trend that spans multiple vendors. but I'm just going to say this ...

    When you buy a new synth, it's probably a good idea to buy it for the capabilities it has out of the box, not for what you THINK the manufacturer will put into it in the next few years, even if they make vague promises that exciting enhancements will be forthcoming.

    Unless they're promising something VERY specific (like 'we're going to have an update that does xyz in the next couple of months') and you see it in writing, just expect when you make your purchase that there will be no further updates to the unit, except to (hopefully) squash a few bugs. Whether a manufacturer should/should not continue to support the instrument for a given length of time, it appears that the reality of the situation is that this doesn't always happen to the degree that people expected, so I believe it would be better to be pleasantly surprised when an update comes out, rather than bitterly disappointed when nothing comes out.

    The reason I post this is that there are entirely too many people on various synth forums who are screaming about how their board is no longer supported, and throwing around terms such as 'abandonware'. So maybe you were duped in the past and that is unfortunate, but let's all be smart about this going forward, as we all know that even if the manufacturer has the best of intentions, it sometimes doesn't work out for economical/financial (or other) reasons.

  • bax
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    There's a lot to be said for a well made acoustic instrument, that can be passed down a generation or three.

    Wrong forum for that here though.




    Too bad we don't have a "Like" button ala Facebook...

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  • mildbill
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    There's a lot to be said for a well made acoustic instrument, that can be passed down a generation or three.

    Wrong forum for that here though.

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  • realtrance
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    This is yet another of a billion reasons why the whole "consumer ethos" must die. Get an instrument, to make music, work with the inevitable constraints anything in reality will contain. Learn that constraints are good. Nothing is infinite, nor should you always be wishing for "more." Less is usually more, you will find. Almost always. The world is already drowning in a sea of throwaway crap that only ends up strangling penguins and dolphins; don't encourage the production of more.

    - this comment sponsored by Your Planet.

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  • Redhotpoker
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    That's not funny, that's a crime, punishable by pushing broom at the new
    Yahama Motif XF warehouse in your own home towns,,.
    Or any other large metropolis cummune. where you call home, where XF's are often seen
    running out the door with thier happy new owners/customers/consumers,,.
    Just
    Like
    Me
    Chas

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  • WorknMan
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    Funny that some people are already bugging Korg about future Kronos updates, and the damn synth is not even out yet.

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  • Meatball Fulton
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    I'm angry and not going to take it anymore!

    Yamaha refuses to update for Snow Leopard the free software they provided for a fifteen year old used synth I just bought.

    Ensoniq went out of business rather than continue to offer service for my SQ-80.

    Roland had the gall to drop DCB support 25 years ago.

    Time to start up a Tea Party for synthesizers :soapbox:

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  • Redhotpoker
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    Being a new owner to the current workstation technology, I'm a very happy camper with my Motif XF 8.
    It's a dream come true, right here.
    But on the other hand, as I only have my old Yamaha PSS 680 & DD5 to compare it too, there isn't any comparison, none.
    So, I only wish I had some previous experience with something a bit more current, so the learning curve didn't resemble that "Double Rainbow", hahaha, not quite.
    But there is plenty for me to learn and understand about my XF 8 & DTX MULTI 12 too.
    1st reason why I count on these Forums, to help me climb over the steep hurdles, I can not leap over them,
    as many of you bright shining stars can do with your vast knowledge and seemingly rediculous amounts of technical gear.

    I WISH!!

    Chas

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  • zoink
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    this is what happens when you buy new.


    Exactly. Early adopters tend to suffer the most, which is why I'm careful about doing it myself. Another reason is that for me it just pays to wait. I live in a city where a lot of upper middle class professionals (i.e. home players) tend to buy high-end gear, only to turn around and sell it a year and a half later in mint condition for 30-40% below retail. So, while the manufacturer is still refining the OS and releasing additional peripherals, I'm following reviews and waiting for it to show up on Craigslist.

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  • WorknMan
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    I think the OP was getting at something different though. Buying a keyboard, and then expecting additional functions to be added later. Instead of just buying a piece and using it, people expect OS updates that include extra functionality now.


    Yup, that's exactly what I'm saying.

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  • mildbill
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    Never make assumptions on what the Marketing "Should Mean" (i.e. Common Sense) as REALITY. Never EXPECT or BELIEVE the hype about ANY feature until it SHIPS and have seen it WORK with your own eyes!


    Ya - we spent a lot of time bitching about perceived flaws over at EX5tech. If it wouldn't have been marketed as a workstation, instead as a synth, Yamaha would have had a lot less complaints.
    Same could be said for the Alesis Fusion.

    I think the OP was getting at something different though. Buying a keyboard, and then expecting additional functions to be added later. Instead of just buying a piece and using it, people expect OS updates that include extra functionality now.
    Blame the digital era, I guess.

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  • Conbrio
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    I have never felt anger concerning one of my synths or towards one of the developing companies. It just seem counter-productive and stress-inducing.


    Too many people become frustrated with their purchase, sometimes before they take it out of the box! No patience at all.

    I've been playing synths for over 20 years and recall that back in the 80's, we rarely got an updated OS or new sounds from the manufacturers. You could buy extra soundsets--often on expensive RAM cards--but that's about all.

    And people weren't flipping keyboards every 3-6 months back then either. We took the time and learned how to program our own sounds.

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  • Pilotwings
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    this is what happens when you buy new.


    This is what happens when you have to be the first one on the block to own something. (Sometimes you become the beta tester)

    PS - I thought the original poster was referring to the mpc-forums site... AKAI AKAI AKAI AKAI

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  • xpander
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    this is what happens when you buy new.

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  • zoink
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    I think much of the tendency toward disgruntlement comes from the fact that we work in a field where positive technological change is more or less a given. We've come to expect it. I can think of no other field of music creation where the bar is constantly being raised so much and so often, where paradigms either shift so radically or are altogether discarded. As synthesists we're craftsmen in sound creation, and we tend to know what we want and demand a LOT of flexibility in our tools.

    Another reason for occasional aggravation is the fact that buying a workstation -- especially something like the Oasys -- is a significant investment of money and time. If you're going to commit that much capital to a product, I think it's reasonable to expect enduring support from the company that makes it. Often the problem lies with offering "selling features" that don't actually work properly. It usually takes several OS upgrades to get things right, and if the company drops it before that point, then you're left hanging. It's as if the product is incomplete, and left to remain so. This can get annoying if you've invested $4,000-$8,000 (including upgrades) in a workstation and it still has the same bugs.

    That said, I tend to see the positives in the synths and workstations that I own. There is no perfect synth or workstation - not even an almost perfect one. All of them have their strengths and their quirks. I even like the Ex-5 and enjoy it immensely. But then, I'm in the fortunate position of not needing it to do everything it was originally billed to do.

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