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  • Seems like there are a lot of pissed off synth owners out there ....

    I'm not calling any specific individuals or groups out here who own certain synths, because this is certainly a trend that spans multiple vendors. but I'm just going to say this ...

    When you buy a new synth, it's probably a good idea to buy it for the capabilities it has out of the box, not for what you THINK the manufacturer will put into it in the next few years, even if they make vague promises that exciting enhancements will be forthcoming.

    Unless they're promising something VERY specific (like 'we're going to have an update that does xyz in the next couple of months') and you see it in writing, just expect when you make your purchase that there will be no further updates to the unit, except to (hopefully) squash a few bugs. Whether a manufacturer should/should not continue to support the instrument for a given length of time, it appears that the reality of the situation is that this doesn't always happen to the degree that people expected, so I believe it would be better to be pleasantly surprised when an update comes out, rather than bitterly disappointed when nothing comes out.

    The reason I post this is that there are entirely too many people on various synth forums who are screaming about how their board is no longer supported, and throwing around terms such as 'abandonware'. So maybe you were duped in the past and that is unfortunate, but let's all be smart about this going forward, as we all know that even if the manufacturer has the best of intentions, it sometimes doesn't work out for economical/financial (or other) reasons.

  • #2
    Nord Modular G2 owner.

    very pissed.

    it's still the most flexible synth out there, but they could have done even more with it. i'm also a bit sad that they didn't release a tabletop version, which i think i might prefer. oh well.
    output:noise

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    • #3
      The MI co's ( Y/R/K) are way to smart to over promise or even to ' suggest '.

      If some buyers try to put their own slant on ' future capabilities ' then bark on the Internet 1 or 2 yrs later , that they are hacked off,
      about lack of new capabilities , thats their issue.

      The MI co's are good about squashing minor bugs with slight OS upgrades.

      everyone buys TV's, cars, an appliance, etc, and have no expectation of a ' major upgrade'. Not the best analogy, perhaps, but a fair mindset for ' expectation ' . A synth/workstation is not a cheap $400 PC where you can swap out major parts. Not smart to confuse apples & oranges.

      Folks have to have reasonable expectations as consumers. They need to read and qualify their purchase vs acting impulsively, often
      supported by Internet chatter.
      I live a life of fearless self invention

      If you want to see God laugh, don't make any plans

      Good is the Enemy of Great

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      • #4
        I'm never upset with all my free VSTIs

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        • #5


          ....The reason I post this is that there are entirely too many people on various synth forums who are screaming about how their board is no longer supported, and throwing around terms such as 'abandonware'....




          I usually only hear this in relation to keyboards that depend on a computer for editing. When a new computer OS comes out, the editor isn't always updated.

          I also hear it about softsynths sometimes too.

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          • #6
            I have never felt anger concerning one of my synths or towards one of the developing companies. It just seem counter-productive and stress-inducing. I have felt a couple of times a certain "meh" feeling about some hardware or software, but that is to be expected I suppose. I can't expect to like everything forever... except my wife and kids.
            Gribs

            ...Music can be used to stimulate mass emotion, while mathematics cannot; and musical incapacity is recognized (no doubt rightly) as mildly discreditable, whereas most people are so frightened of the name of mathematics that they are ready, quite unaffectedly, to exaggerate their own mathematical stupidity.

            G.H. Hardy in A Mathematician's Apology (London 1941).

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            • #7
              ^^^
              Ditto.
              I think some people just like to complain all the time and maybe expect too much.
              I'm not an angry synth owner, maybe frustrated because I don't really know how to use the stuff I have but that my problem, nobody else's.

              There are times I'm a broke synth owner, but that's nothing new for people like me who have a mental disorder when it comes to buying gear.
              I don't even care about gays really.- Daryl Flynn

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              • #8
                Most of the complaining I've heard lately was about Korg's discontinuation of the Oasys. Some of those complaints were justified IMO, because the Oasys was SO touted by Korg at the time of its release as infinitely expandable and the 'last synth you will ever need'. Plus its initial purchase price sort of implied that this investment should include many years worth of upgrades and support. Oh well.
                Korg Z1, Yamaha Clavinova CLP-350, Alesis Ion, Alesis QS8.2, Kawai K3M, Arturia CS-80V, VAZ Modular, co-author of MinimogueVA and Arppe2600va.

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                • #9
                  The only synths I was ever "angered about" was the EX5, and then the AN board on the motif series. With the EX5 it had all these awesome features advertised, but in the end nearly every piece didn't work so well. The sequencer couldn't keep time, the SCSI but to load samples was PAINFULLY slow, and the onboard ROM wasn't so good.

                  With the AN board, it didn't sound ANYTHING like what was in the EX5 I had previous. Like it was chopped at the knees. Just anemic, thin, and a usability nightmare. I wasn't up in arms about it, because I got it for free in a promotion. Though all said between the EX5 and the Motif with AN card. I probably lost $1000 because it didn't work as advertised.

                  However, it's taught me a valuable lesson, and I haven't been in that situation since!
                  Live Keys Rig:
                  Yamaha XS7-Korg M50-61-QSC K12 Monitor (Korg Kronos 73 will replace M50 once programmed)
                  Guitar Rig:
                  Fender Strats-Gibson Les Paul Classic-Ibanez 3220 TW (Quilt), Mesa Mark IV, RM4-RT2/50, Crate V3112, and a bunch of pedals/modules
                  Bass Rig:
                  Mike Lull M5-Ashdown ABM 500 RC-Bergantino Cabs, A handful of pedals.

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                  • #10


                    ....However, it's taught me a valuable lesson, and I haven't been in that situation since!



                    Which lesson did you learn?

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                    • #11
                      Must be talking about the Blofeld =o]
                      Synths: TT-303 . Analog Four . Octatrack . uWave II . Monotribe . Monotron Delay . MonotronDrum Machines: Machinedrum UWmkI . Vermona Kick LancetNew DJ Mix - AcidTed - Question Everything

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                      • #12
                        Most of the complaining I've heard lately was about Korg's discontinuation of the Oasys. Some of those complaints were justified IMO, because the Oasys was SO touted by Korg at the time of its release as infinitely expandable and the 'last synth you will ever need'. Plus its initial purchase price sort of implied that this investment should include many years worth of upgrades and support. Oh well.


                        Well, I wasn't going to single anybody out, but you went there But that's kind of my point for posting is that from this point on, we shouldn't assume anything if they merely imply something, but only if they make specific guarantees. Fool me once ...

                        Also, I'm not picking on Oasys owners, as I've heard a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth from Fantom G owners, and even some in the M3 camp aren't happy. But I don't think it's very productive to blame the lack of Oasys enhancements on Kronos. I mean, if they'd have released an 'M3 Extreme' instead, the number of Oasys updates would've been the same, which is zero.

                        I'm very interested in the Kronos, and I'm already hearing people talk about in the future, it could have this or that, but I'm looking at it only for what it is (or is not) right now, and will make my purchasing decision based on this information. If they release some updates in the future, that's great. If they don't, that's fine too, assuming it isn't completely broken out of the box. And just for the record, I think being pissed because a board is defective at launch is justified if the company won't do anything to fix it... that's not what I'm talking about here.

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                        • #13
                          Which lesson did you learn?


                          Never make assumptions on what the Marketing "Should Mean" (i.e. Common Sense) as REALITY. Never EXPECT or BELIEVE the hype about ANY feature until it SHIPS and have seen it WORK with your own eyes!
                          Live Keys Rig:
                          Yamaha XS7-Korg M50-61-QSC K12 Monitor (Korg Kronos 73 will replace M50 once programmed)
                          Guitar Rig:
                          Fender Strats-Gibson Les Paul Classic-Ibanez 3220 TW (Quilt), Mesa Mark IV, RM4-RT2/50, Crate V3112, and a bunch of pedals/modules
                          Bass Rig:
                          Mike Lull M5-Ashdown ABM 500 RC-Bergantino Cabs, A handful of pedals.

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                          • #14
                            Seems like there are a lot of forumites pissed of at pissed off synth owners out there ....
                            http://www.myspace.com/monocityvibe

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                            • #15
                              I think much of the tendency toward disgruntlement comes from the fact that we work in a field where positive technological change is more or less a given. We've come to expect it. I can think of no other field of music creation where the bar is constantly being raised so much and so often, where paradigms either shift so radically or are altogether discarded. As synthesists we're craftsmen in sound creation, and we tend to know what we want and demand a LOT of flexibility in our tools.

                              Another reason for occasional aggravation is the fact that buying a workstation -- especially something like the Oasys -- is a significant investment of money and time. If you're going to commit that much capital to a product, I think it's reasonable to expect enduring support from the company that makes it. Often the problem lies with offering "selling features" that don't actually work properly. It usually takes several OS upgrades to get things right, and if the company drops it before that point, then you're left hanging. It's as if the product is incomplete, and left to remain so. This can get annoying if you've invested $4,000-$8,000 (including upgrades) in a workstation and it still has the same bugs.

                              That said, I tend to see the positives in the synths and workstations that I own. There is no perfect synth or workstation - not even an almost perfect one. All of them have their strengths and their quirks. I even like the Ex-5 and enjoy it immensely. But then, I'm in the fortunate position of not needing it to do everything it was originally billed to do.
                              Kronos, Fant.G8, PC3X, K2500RS, A6, Q, M3-61, Fant.X7, Motif 8, EX5(x2), V-Synth, K2000(x2), D50, JD800, JD990, JP8080, XP30, MC909, MC505, JX-10, JX-305, TR-707, Juno 1, DR-202, Radias, Triton Pro, Wavest. SR, EMX1, ESX1, ER-1, EA-1, R3, Poly 800, RS7000, FS1R (x2), RM1X, AN200, DX200, QY70, QY100, K5000S, OB-12, Maschine,ASR10,ASR88,ASR-X Pro, EPS,Virus B, Equinox,E-Mu XL-7,MiniAK, Synthstation,X-Station, XioSynth,TG33,Venom,V50,UltraNova,Z1,Spark,Moog LP Stage II, JP8000,Tetra,Supernova 2.

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