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  • You can't get a Solaris for 2,999... (or 2,799 I think is what some stores are discounting the Kronos 61)

    zzzextreme - everything gets obsolete at some point, if you don't get used to that idea you end up never buying a synth (or a car...)
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    • yeah CR i know. just that, I wish to know, for the case of kronos, how it will become obsolete
      synths get obsolete for different reasons i guess

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      • I think most digital synths might stop working before they become obsolete People still hang on to their JD-800s. And quite a few people still like their JVs - I sure love my Korg N1R and I can't believe what they did with 18Mb of samples.
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        • There's really no such thing as an obsolete musical instrument. As long as it makes some kind of sound, and you have some kind of imagination, music can be made with it, and thus.... it is not obsolete.

          We get to the point of having perfect, sampled, articulation-modelled emulations of acoustic instruments and, whaddya know, everyone will be craving that ol' E-Mu static-sampled sound as the latest craze, and E4s will be in high demand.
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          • multi gigabyte uncompressed samples . . . how will kronos be obsolete? curious

            the good thing about kronos is that its not just sample based. they have the korg legacy collection in there that runs algos and i image most of the stuff other than the hd-1 engine are like that.

            you could compare pianoteq to alicia's keys is like 10mb vs 2 dvds + of samples. some mics, pres, and spaces add texture and character and nuanced, detailed modelling is hard to do on the fly. when a crystal clear piano is needed pianoteq might be better especially if you want to modulate properties of the strings, etc

            neither approach is better or obsolete just different. trent reznor talks alot about layering "organic" or "textural" sounds over "clean" or "perfect" sounds and it won him an oscar. kronos is optimized for gigs in coding and portability compared to a laptop + external hdd + 61 key controller. plus a laptop would choke with equivalents of the 9 engines loaded for quick access.

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            • I want to buy a Kronos because:
              > I want to settle on a keyboard and customize it: patches, controller routings, etc. Most of that work is gone when I move onto the next board

              > I want to settle on a keyboard and learn it inside and out- luckily the M3 is very close to the Kronos in many ways, so I'll have a head start

              > I want a Piano/EP/Organ experience on a par with my Nord Stage 88, and have other sounds easily available; of course I'm assuming I'll love the playing experience of the Kronos as much I do my Stage

              > I want a composing/sound designing/gigging board, a number one axe that most of my creative input is going to. I'll always have 2 boards, but #1 board needs to do it all and be fully capable, by itself, on a gig

              > I want the engines on the Kronos! Very tired of romplers!

              > I want the 16 audio tracks and 4 trk simultaneous record of the Kronos! Of course that depends on how well its implemented in conjunction with the sequencer

              > And of course I want all the fabulous features, like seamless transitions and the set list. For a hardware guy like me, this is a game changer!


              But considering how broke I am right now, my next purchase would likely be an IPad that runs all kinds of crazy music apps- exciting times we live in!

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              • You can't get a Solaris for 2,999... (or 2,799 I think is what some stores are discounting the Kronos 61)



                I paid less than that for my Solaris preorder! That's only because I had faith in what it was going to end up becoming. I had no idea it would be this great though
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                • Wow..... just wow. They really went into detail with SGX-1.

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                  • this kronos won't be obsolete for a long long time. unless... unless what?


                    Unless the hardware fails. Personally i'd have traded off a few features for build quality on this one, but then I don;t flip gear in a big way and prefer to work with a few 'keepers'.

                    Not really an issue for anyone that's going to sell it when the next big thing comes along.
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                    • Can't wait for demos for rest of the engines.

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                      • Unless the hardware fails. Personally i'd have traded off a few features for build quality on this one, but then I don;t flip gear in a big way and prefer to work with a few 'keepers'.

                        Not really an issue for anyone that's going to sell it when the next big thing comes along.


                        I think the main issue is the SSD drive, but Rich made clear they didn't use a consumer part for that one, they used the good stuff. Maybe memory might be an issue as well, we don't know.

                        Everything else, is your regular digital keyboard fare, I'm not too concerned with it. I'm sure it will be far better than my Alesis Fusion and I'm not really that worried with that either (I make backups of the hard drive which is really where all the good stuff is).

                        Is there something you're worried about in particular regarding the Kronos, Purity?
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                        • Wow..... just wow. They really went into detail with SGX-1.

                          I like the wide range of velocity adjustments... I'm thinking that should make it easy to find a point of best responsiveness when driving the piano sound in the 61 from some other 88 key controller.

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                          • Storage decreases, very slowly, at the hardware level. However, standard practice with SSDs is to reserve a portion of the drive for this purpose - storage space that the user never sees, and which the drive controller uses to swap in for sectors that are no longer usable. For instance, the Toshiba SSD used in the KRONOS is spec'd at 30 GB, instead of 32. That puzzled me for a while, as 30 is a distinctly non-binary number and thus unlikely to reflect hardware. Then I realized that it was most likely 32GB physically, with a couple of GB reserved so that it could be swapped in later without shriking the size from the user perspective.

                            According to Toshiba, you'd need to write 11GB of data every day for five years to reach the "endurance limit" of the media.

                            So, In practice, this doesn't seem to be a concern.
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                            • My wife just ordered the hardwood flooring for her living room project and is looking at new area rug, end tables, and lamps to go with it... Kronos isn't happening in the next couple of months. I guess it is her turn for now.
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                              • A Kronos will be mine by the end of the year,Come Hell or High Water. Only thing,I don't want to part with my Stage or Receptor, but the Receptor may have to go

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