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    Hey, everyone,

    I've been playing a Korg C-720 for three or four years now. I'm tired of it and I am looking for a portable piano. Not a Korg, this time. I understand mine is top of the line (before the SV, anyway), but I really don't like the sound or the keys.

    So, I in Europe (Milan) and I'm looking for something used. I've tried some pianos and I liked the P95 and P155; the new Roland FP-7 is also very nice. I was disappointed with the Kurzweil PC3LE, however.

    I've been looking for ads and I've found several Yamaha P80 and some Rolands (RD 300 SX, FP9, RD 600).

    What's your opinion on the P80, and how does it compare to the newer models? Also, would an RD 300 SX be better than a 600? What are your thoughts on Roland vs Yamaha? The Yamahas sounded more clear to me.

    I only care about acoustic pianos (I've got a real Rhodes and I don't like playing organ on weighted keys) and keybed, and I will be using a pair of Grado's.

    Thanks very much for your help.

  • #2
    A little more information. My options are:

    P-80 without case - 420

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    • #3
      I had a P80 from about 2001 to 2003. The piano sound was good (today's pianos are better). The action, though a little heavy, was solid. Roland pianos from that era were not great; they have since caught up. The RD-300sx/FP-4 keybed is a little light -- some say it's a little mushy. I have one and actually enjoy playing it. The piano sound is a step up from the P-80. You might be able to get an FP-4 cheaper than an RD-300sx (they're pretty much the same board). It has fewer bells and whistles (no pitch bend/mod wheel primarily) -- it's really designed to be a stage piano.
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      • #4
        I guess it makes no sense to get the P80, then. It's just that the RD series are so common, I have played several of them and was looking for a new flavor. However, I think it also makes no sense to get the P95 for just 100

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        • #5
          Hey, everyone,

          I've been playing a Korg C-720 for three or four years now. I'm tired of it and I am looking for a portable piano. Not a Korg, this time. I understand mine is top of the line (before the SV, anyway), but I really don't like the sound or the keys.

          So, I in Europe (Milan) and I'm looking for something used. I've tried some pianos and I liked the P95 and P155; the new Roland FP-7 is also very nice. I was disappointed with the Kurzweil PC3LE, however.

          I've been looking for ads and I've found several Yamaha P80 and some Rolands (RD 300 SX, FP9, RD 600).

          What's your opinion on the P80, and how does it compare to the newer models? Also, would an RD 300 SX be better than a 600? What are your thoughts on Roland vs Yamaha? The Yamahas sounded more clear to me.

          I only care about acoustic pianos (I've got a real Rhodes and I don't like playing organ on weighted keys) and keybed, and I will be using a pair of Grado's.

          Thanks very much for your help.


          I have a Roland RD300GX - very nice. Keys are nice balance of weightiness w/out being overly heavy, thus making the overall weight of the board fairly light. Better sounds than the RD300SX, I think. Rhodes is pretty good though if you have real one you may not be impressed - still, if it's "passable" then you wouldn't have to drag your Rhodes out w/you when you gig out at places or go to rehearsals/jam sessions. Clavinets are cool too. Strings are passable. Plus there's a few synth sounds that could get you by in a pinch.

          My pop just got a Casio Privia PX-330 - which he is digging... and it is lighter still, at 26 lbs.!
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          • #6
            Thanks for your help, GigMan. I think the RD300GX would be too expensive for me. And, although I want something portable, I won't be gigging more than 2 or 3 times a year, so anything under 20kg is ok.

            I have now been looking at the Yamaha CP33, since it seems to be on the same league as the RD300SX, but with better keys. I should again mention that I mostly care about acoustic piano and keybed. What do you think about the sound difference?

            I've also checked the FP4. Is it much better than the RD300SX for piano only?

            The CP33 is slightly more expensive than the RD300SX. Would you think it's worth it?

            Thank you very much for helping me.

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            • #7
              I note you said early that you were disappointed with the PC3LE - did you try a PC3x too?
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              • #8
                No, I didn't try the PC3x. I only wanted to try the Kurzweil sound. Is it much better? I only find old SP88 around here, anyway.

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                • #9
                  Hi again,

                  I found a CP33 for 600

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                  • #10
                    So today I went to a different store. I started with the new CP1 just to have a reference, and then I tried the P155, a used P90 (350

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                    • #11
                      I really like the P90, and for such a low price I'm tempted. It's very small and simple, just what I was looking for. Now I don't know if it would be worth to pay almost twice as much to get the CP33. Anyone?


                      Yamaha's P90 was a solid keyboard, nice action, good piano sounds.

                      If all you want is acoustic piano sounds for a cheap price - definitely get the used P90 (for cheaper than the CP33) and be done w/it.
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                      <font size="1"><b><u>Keys</u>:</b><br />
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                      <i>Using:</i> Yamaha MoX8 <i>(bottom tier)</i> &amp; Korg M3 <i>(top)</i>, or just Roland RD300GX<i> (on small gigs)</i><br />
                      <i>Tried, returned:</i> Korg M50, Roland Fantom G7<br />
                      <b><u>Mixers, Spkrs.</u>:</b><br />
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                      • #12
                        Yep, acoustic pianos and action are all I care for. Have you played both? You think that the improvement in piano sound on the CP33 is not that big?

                        Thanks for your help.

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                        • #13
                          Yep, acoustic pianos and action are all I care for. Have you played both? You think that the improvement in piano sound on the CP33 is not that big?

                          Thanks for your help.


                          I have tried out both P90 and CP33 in music stores at one time or another - but never side by side, since the P90 was discontinued some years ago... I'm guessing the CP33 is probably a better sounding instrument, since it's newer technology but if you don't want to shell out the bucks - I am remembering that the P90 was very good as well.
                          <div class="signaturecontainer"><img src="http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/cool.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Cool" class="inlineimg" /> &quot;Gigito ergo sum: I gig, therefore I am.&quot; <img src="http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/cool.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Cool" class="inlineimg" /><br />
                          <font size="1"><b><u>Keys</u>:</b><br />
                          <i>Sold:</i> Yamaha S90ES, Korg Triton Le<br />
                          <i>Using:</i> Yamaha MoX8 <i>(bottom tier)</i> &amp; Korg M3 <i>(top)</i>, or just Roland RD300GX<i> (on small gigs)</i><br />
                          <i>Tried, returned:</i> Korg M50, Roland Fantom G7<br />
                          <b><u>Mixers, Spkrs.</u>:</b><br />
                          Motion Sound KP200S &amp; KP100S, (2) QSC K12's, (2) QSC K10's, (2) JBL EON15 G2's, Fender Rumble 100 <i>(for Ibanez SR500 bass gtr.)</i>, <br />
                          Alesis TransActive 50, Soundcraft MFXi8, Yamaha MG82cx, Mackie ProFX12, MS1202 &amp; DFX6, <i>[Samson PL1602 - For Sale]</i><br />
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                          • #14
                            You're probably right, I just can't find a CP33 to try out. The P155 sounded fuller, and the CP33 is supposed to be better. Thanks.

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                            • #15
                              Bump. Anyone else on the P90vsCP33? Thanks.

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