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  • ipad as a sampler

    I'm seeing sampler apps coming out for ipad, and I'm considering finally jumping on the ipad bandwagon.

    The main thing I use samplers for is playing back rhodes sounds. I've got an Akai S6000 loaded up with scarbee. It works great, but it's huge, very heavy, and limited to 256MB of RAM.

    I've got a Fantom XR loaded up with scarbee rhodes, it's small, light, but its load times are terrible. It takes several minutes to load up 100MB or so from a CF card.

    So, what I'm wanting is something small, ipad+alesis IO dock would be great. I want something that handles lots of RAM, loads fast, and can handle multiple samples with multiple velocity zones. I'm thinking that garageband on ipad with ESX24 samples would do exactly that.

    Anyone here doing this - loading up huge multisamples into garageband on an ipad, playing them from a controller, midi'd up via an alesis IO dock?

    It seems like it could really be a killer sampler, or sample playback at least. I'm having a really hard time figuring out exactly what that setup would be capable of though, sample-wise. Not sure how much editing I could do, how much RAM worth of samples it would pull up, etc...

    Here are the products and links I've found that have me very intrigued:

    http://www.macprovideo.com/hub/garageband-ilife-2/record-and-edit-your-own-samples-in-garageband-for-ipad

    http://www.redmatica.com/Redmatica/The_Redmatica_Applications.html

    http://www.vintageroadkeys.com/Vintage_Road_iSampled_Sampler_App_for_IphoneIpad/p794146_3786653.aspx

    http://neosoulkeys.com/ipad/ (not available yet, but apparently neosoul is packaging up their rhodes into a 600MB ipad app)

    Thanks for any help! For what it's worth, I have access to an apple computer, but I mainly use windows and linux. I'm hoping any solution won't require too much apple hardware, other than the ipad.

  • #2
    I've not the the sampler stuff with the iPad (yet) but I have messed about with playback etc using my kb as a controller for some of the apps.
    My kb has a usb mid out so I just sed the Camera Connection kit to hook the kb up to the ipad.
    For output I just run run a cable with a mini jack from the earphone output on the iPad and to my mixer. so far that's been fine.

    Works fine. I had some issues with the Pocket Organ C3B3 app, was not receiving midi but I rebooted the ipad, started that app first and it's been fine since then.

    Only real down side of using the camera connection kit is that the connector to the ipad is pretty small and it does not really hold the connector in place very solidly, it can easly get dislodged. I guess that's one advantage of the IO dock, the physical connection is more secure. The other being that you can run multiple inputs/outputs at the same time.
    I've heard of people having 'hiss' problems with the io dock with iOS 5 but I believe there's a software update that fixes it (or at least helps) and I think they are still working to resolve the issue further (based on what I read on various forums).
    The further away I am, the better I sound....

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    • #3
      About that C3B3, I can't find any decent demos of it on the internet. I see plenty of youtubes where someone is dinking around with it, but nothing where somebody is actually making it sound like a jazz b3.

      I use a roland VK8 for all my organs, but I'd love to quit carting it around, and just midi to an ipad with drawbars on the screen. I'd sure like to hear the thing in action first though.

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      • #4
        Have you checked out Sampletank yet?

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        • #5
          There is a rather rambling video posted by GospelMusicians (the NeoSoul Keys guy) playing sampled EPs (Roland MKS20 samples) in GarageBand on the iPad.

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          • #6
            The gospel musicians guys are behind the neosoul rhodes I believe, and they've got an ipad version forthcoming. The more I research, it's looking like maybe all I need is an ipad, an alesis IO dock, and maybe a chicken systems translator to get my Akai S6000 samples ported over to ESX24 format. From there, it's just a matter of loading them into garageband on the ipad.

            So, with a mere $750 or so, I'll have me an ipad-based sample player/rompler.

            I went ahead and downloaded the C3B3 app onto my wife's old iphone 3GS just to try it out, and best I can tell it's pretty good. The drawbars work well, the percussion sounds right, it doesn't percuss (?) when there's already a key held (big complaint with most rompler organs), the leslie sounds ok. I think I could get a lot of use out of it. I am wondering how well an ipad would switch back and forth between garageband with a huge rhodes patch, and standalone apps like C3B3 and animoog. I figure it's probably pretty quick, but if anybody here has experience doing such things, I'd love to hear how it works out.

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            • #7
              I may be a little off topic here, but I may be the only one who thinks C3B3 sounds crappy. The organ on garage band, to me is much better. Does anyone feel the same?

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              • #8
                I've not played with GB much but I'd agree that the organ might have the edge over the c3b3 one but the c3b3 app is still pretty cool.

                Re the ipad and switching apps. When you 'close' an app on the ipad it does not actually close, it goes into the background. This is good and bad.

                To switch between them you must press the button (at the bottom of the device) twice. This brings up a 'task bar' from where you can either close apps down or select it to bring it to the front (just hitting the icon the desktop to start it again does the same thing) so you only really need to use the task bar to close apps down.

                The good.

                You can run multiple apps all receiving midi say and have them ALL play, I like having animoog going in the background and the c3b3 in the front (c3b3 does not seem to receive midi if it's in the background, other apps seems ok).
                Switching between apps is in general pretty quick. Main button to send current app to the background then hit the icon on the screen for the app you want, if it's already runing it will just come to the front again. Helps to have all the apps you want to switch on one screen so you don't have to scroll to get to them.

                The bad.

                Unless you use the task bar to end them, apps are always running. This means that if they are listening for midi, they might play when you think you have shut them down because really, they are just in the background. Can be annoying when you forget about an app running. Putting the ipad into sleep mode does not end them either so next time you fire it up, if anything was running it's still there. Can get slightly annoying when you get unexpected sounds from something in the back ground.
                The further away I am, the better I sound....

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                • #9
                  Thanks big_e! That's good info.

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                  • #10
                    Ok, I went ahead and bought an Alesis IO Dock, and after playing around with various samplers for a couple of hours I have a few opinions to share that might be helpful to anyone else wanting to use the ipad as a sample player.

                    - The Alesis IO Dock is great. Everything I hoped it would be.

                    - Ipad Garageband has some good some sounds, but the polyphony sucks. The rhodes, for instance, yields only 7 notes of polyphony. Absolutely won't work. Its b3 sounds really good though, and is very controllable. I think I can get some use out of it. I don't think I'm going to be carting my Roland VK7 to gigs anymore.

                    - Bismark works very well as a sample player. It's basically just a soundfont player, and soundfonts are fairly easy to create. I make a scaled-down Scarbee Rhodes (every black key, only four velocities, no looping though), 220MB or so, and it pulls up in seconds in Bismark, and plays just perfectly. I did have to change Bismark from 22khz playback to 44khz; not sure why it defaults to 44. Also, Bismark has a built-in http server so it's very easy to transfer your soundfont files to it.

                    - The c3b3 app isn't a very good b3. It seemed fine when I was dinking around with it on an iphone, but via a real keyboard and into a good sound system it just doesn't cut it for me. The ADSR seems to have too long a release, and the keyclicks are a little too clicky. I like the Garageband b3 much more.

                    There's no layering capability in Bismark as far as I can tell, so any layers would need to be sampled that way. Some may find this as a show stopper, it doesn't really bother me though. All I ever play is rhodes, organs, acoustic piano, and an occasional lead sound.

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                    • #11
                      Yeah, C3B3 is crappy, but its also pretty old. If I remember correctly its made for 1-2nd gen iPhones. ORGAN+ might be better, but I haven't tried it, because Garage Bands organ seems to fill my needs perfectly.(still waiting IK iRig to arrive, so I can really try it). Also, most really good stuff works with iPhone 3GS. Can't wait to see what they are able to do with iPhone 4S/iPad 2.

                      I hope someone would make audio/midi interface for iPhone too, as I'm still waiting to get iPad(3). Could that IO dock work with iPhone in any way...sure would look ugly, but it would work so beautifully. Or Akai 49?
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                      Sing my songs and say my sayings,<br />
                      Hymns ancestral harmonizing,<br />
                      Lore of kindred lyricking.<br />
                      In my mouth the words are melting;<br />
                      Utterances overflowing<br />
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                      • #12
                        There's no layering capability in Bismark as far as I can tell, so any layers would need to be sampled that way. Some may find this as a show stopper, it doesn't really bother me though. All I ever play is rhodes, organs, acoustic piano, and an occasional lead sound.

                        Lack of layering wouldn't really bother me, because it would not be my only sound source anyway. I'd probably pick keyboards with their own sounds to use as controllers for any rig I'd have anyway

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                        • #13
                          SampleWiz isn't multisampler, but seems to work as a V-Synth...ish sampler instead.
                          <div class="signaturecontainer">I am wanting, I am thinking<br />
                          To arise and go forth singing,<br />
                          Sing my songs and say my sayings,<br />
                          Hymns ancestral harmonizing,<br />
                          Lore of kindred lyricking.<br />
                          In my mouth the words are melting;<br />
                          Utterances overflowing<br />
                          To my tongue are hurrying,<br />
                          Even against my teeth they burst.</div>

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                          • #14
                            [QUOTE=Casio Man;44461283]SampleWiz isn't multisampler, but seems to work as a V-Synth...ish sampler instead.[/QUOTE
                            sort of a loop type sampler that gets an audio sample and can be morphed.

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                            • #15
                              SampleWiz isn't multisampler, but seems to work as a V-Synth...ish sampler instead.


                              Yep bang on.... Very vSynth.... One sample spread out across the keyboard and synchronised audio playback.... Pity there is no filtering though...

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