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  • #16
    Sometimes I start at the piano with a chord progression but more typically, with a bit of verse or a groove or a melodic fragment in my head---these often drift in while I'm walking (hence the number of songs I write about walking--I should try this while looking at pretty girls). I'll take that home and, with luck and a lot of work, turn it into a song.



    You Gotta Walk



    A really useful thing is knowing standard song structure--saves figuring out what comes next and usually works.
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      Quote Originally Posted by pogo97
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      A really useful thing is knowing standard song structure--saves figuring out what comes next and usually works.




      It's true, and I'd think any musician worth his salt would know standard song structure, but sometimes it's nice, or even preferred, to go off the beaten path a bit.
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      • #18
        There's little differences every time. But generally, I come up with the finished song in my head and complete the lyrics, melody, arrangement, and instrumentation so it's completely locked in solid and air tight. It could be weeks, months, and even years before I actually sit down with a guitar or piano and pluck out the chords that match the record in my head.



        I find sitting down at the instrument too distracting in the early stages. I have to be true to the song before I limit or influence it with my limited musicianship.
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          Quote Originally Posted by tspit74
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          There's little differences every time. But generally, I come up with the finished song in my head and complete the lyrics, melody, arrangement, and instrumentation so it's completely locked in solid and air tight. It could be weeks, months, and even years before I actually sit down with a guitar or piano and pluck out the chords that match the record in my head.



          I find sitting down at the instrument too distracting in the early stages. I have to be true to the song before I limit or influence it with my limited musicianship.




          I wish I could do this. But the RAM in my brain is extremely volatile and thus ideas and melodies are only there fleetingly, so if I don't get it into some kind of medium that can be played back, I'll forget it. I'm sure I'm headed straight for Alzheimer's and dementia.
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            Quote Originally Posted by selfinflikted
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            I wish I could do this. But the RAM in my brain is extremely volatile and thus ideas and melodies are only there fleetingly, so if I don't get it into some kind of medium that can be played back, I'll forget it. I'm sure I'm headed straight for Alzheimer's and dementia.




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            • #21






              Quote Originally Posted by chevybusa
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              Great topic...unfortunately I'm currently in the midst of the WORST ****************ing writer's block I've ever had, it's been going on for like a year now, it ****************ing sucks, but I just can't seem to do anything creative or original to save my life, and it's killing me, .




              I follow the advice of writers like Stephen King: I keep "office hours" of sorts. I write every morning around 7 am. For me, it's the way to beat the fine line that separates "writer's block" from "laziness".



              The best cure for writer's block is a performance, whether that means playing Carnegie Hall, playing for friends, posting an mp3 on the internet, etc. Deadlines, even self-imposed, can work wonders. I try to tell someone "I'll be done with this on Friday" as I'm the King of procrastination. I play mental games like "I won't have lunch or watch TV etc until I write so many notes". (Yes, I cheat at times). These days I do a ton of arranging and orchestrations, it's become my primary job. I have the advantage of getting a check when I turn in my work. Nonetheless, I'd be lost if I didn't keep "office hours". I used to hate early mornings, now I love em: Nothing's on TV, nobody to play with on the Interwebs, I get my coffee and I'm off.
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              • #22
                Wrote a couple of conventional-sounding instrumentals (I can't write lyrics) that appeared in my head with melody line, chords, and beats.



                That usually doesn't happen to me though. I can't write anything with conventional song structure (I IV V, ii V I, etc.) without being too derivative for my tastes, so I tend to gravitate towards experimental music.

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                  Quote Originally Posted by selfinflikted
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                  That sucks you're having a tough time with writer's block. I know it happens to me too, and for extended periods sometimes, and I'm sure everyone gets to experience that thrill at some point. But, I think what you're doing in the meantime is using your time wisely. I do pretty much the same thing when the musical well dries up. I'll mostly noodle around on a synth and work on sound design. But for now, I'm basically a fount of new musical ideas and songs, even to the point that sometimes here lately, I feel like I can't get it all out fast enough before I forget it or before my brain moves on to something else.



                  I'm really enjoying hearing about how everyone else creates. It's nice to get a different perspective sometimes. :thumbsup:




                  Right on man! Glad to hear that musicals ideas are coming out faster than you can get them out, and thanks for the condoelnesnces on my block. YEah I agree that it definitely7 helps to hear about other's creative processes, the only problem is that I'm so stuck in my ways that I can't seem to do get anything done even when trying them!
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                  <img src="images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="Quote" /> Originally Posted by <strong>OldGuitarPlayer</strong>
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                  • #24






                    Quote Originally Posted by Cygnus64
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                    I follow the advice of writers like Stephen King: I keep "office hours" of sorts. I write every morning around 7 am. For me, it's the way to beat the fine line that separates "writer's block" from "laziness".



                    The best cure for writer's block is a performance, whether that means playing Carnegie Hall, playing for friends, posting an mp3 on the internet, etc. Deadlines, even self-imposed, can work wonders. I try to tell someone "I'll be done with this on Friday" as I'm the King of procrastination. I play mental games like "I won't have lunch or watch TV etc until I write so many notes". (Yes, I cheat at times). These days I do a ton of arranging and orchestrations, it's become my primary job. I have the advantage of getting a check when I turn in my work. Nonetheless, I'd be lost if I didn't keep "office hours". I used to hate early mornings, now I love em: Nothing's on TV, nobody to play with on the Interwebs, I get my coffee and I'm off.




                    Right on man!!! Yeah I actually used to do that in a way, though it was tough depending on my schedule, but like I said unfortunately NOTHING is breaking this goddamned block, it's like that part of my brain is just switched offf!!!



                    As for performance, unfortanately I'm one of the 0.00000000000001% of musos that doesn't really enjoy performing, I know it sounds weird, and it's not like I have stage fright or anxiety or self esteem issues or anything, it's just that for me the whole experience I had with gigging and playing in bands back in my late teens and early 20's was such a ****************ing joke/nightmare and left such a bad taste in my mouth that I've pretty much sworn off playing out or any kindof performing at all, and even back in the day I was always way more into composing adn recording, for me I got a thrill out of handing someone a CD of what I had done, that's what really got me off musically when it came to sharing music vs. playing live, I don't know, I've always beenl ike that, probably always will...
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                    <img src="images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="Quote" /> Originally Posted by <strong>co&amp;cafan808</strong>
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                    <div class="message">chevybusa ****************in delivers the lulz!!!</div>

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                    </div> <font color="Blue"><font face="Palatino Linotype">Using and abusing Reason 4.0 (with tons of ReFills) and Logic 9 (with tons of soft synths, VSTi's and plug-ins) <br />
                    via <br />
                    a Yamaha S80 (with 2 FC7's, an FC5, an FC3, and a BC3a) and a Behringer BCR2000 <br />
                    on <br />
                    a 4GB 2.53GHz Intel Core Duo Mac Mini <br />
                    with <br />
                    AKG K77 headphones or M-Audio BX5a Deluxe monitors.</font></font><br />
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