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  • #16

    Quote Originally Posted by sslow235comp
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    But, can I get some projects running smoothly with a 3rd generation laptop i5/i7 with soft synths (aparently nothing that needs CPU like u-he DIVA does), FX, etc, or will I need to do work arounds like saving parts as audio files to trigger in sequencer?

    My guess is that an I5 will be good for most soft synths and FX, basically everything but the really CPU heavy ones.

    Unfortunately, there is quite a few CPU heavy synths and FX these days. The i7 is better for those, particularly ones like Diva that can multithread.

    I cannot compare directly to the laptop CPU as I have a desktop (an OCed i7-2600K), but I *never* have the crackling options other people have with Diva. (Alchemy, which does not have multithreading, will occasionally give me a crackling sound if its complex and a lot of notes).

    I would say that you are fine for now with the i5, but modeling is becoming more complex; the i7 is more "future proof". If you can only afford an i5, however, you can do plenty. I would, in fact, prioritize an SSD over a bigger CPU.
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    • #17
      edit: This solves most everything

      games playable with with built-in Intel HD4000/25000 graphics:


      HD video play/editing depends on CPU more than GPU.




      DAW music production software benchmarks:


      "Those are PassMark benchmark scores. PassMark is a benchmarking software which runs the CPU through many stress tests like

      read/write operations, math calculations, and graphics processing. People who run PassMark can submit the score they got with

      their processor so those charts are showing the average submitted scores for each processor. I wouldn't read into the overclocked processor charts much because they include mild overclocks as well as extreme overclocks, and there's no way to know how overclocked the processor was when it got the given score. If you really want to see specific scores, you can click a processor from the list and it will show the last 5 submitted scores along with information like RAM, measured speed, hard drive, graphics card, etc."


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        • #19

          Quote Originally Posted by sslow235comp
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          runs portable off batteries?

          No. It has a normal power supply that runs off of A.C.

          Why link an unlocked cpu if you said get that only if going to overclock?

          Simply because newegg is running a special on the K version which currently makes it the same price as the non-K. Usually, the former is $10 more (which is only for the overclocking feature).

          I'm suprised there aren't better laptops with bigger parts making them thicker and heavier.

          Because when it comes to laptops, the vast majority of consumers are sold on "thin and light" (especially after Apple made it all about that with their Macbook Air advertising). And the vast majority of consumers know so little about the inner workings of computers, those customers don't realize the technical sacrifices made in order for something to be so thin and light (such as "mobile" versions of cpus). So the purchase decision comes down to what "looks" thinnest and lightest, and of course the price. The market has spoken.

          As I said, laptops are all about portability, not performance, flexibility, nor frankly even reliability. For the same price, you get a lot more of the latter 3 qualities (at the expense of portability) from a desktop pc.


          • #20

            Quote Originally Posted by soundwave106
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            My guess is that an I5 will be good for most soft synths and FX, basically everything but the really CPU heavy ones.

            That's a pretty fair assessment (regarding the non-mobile versions of the i5).

            I chose an i7 for the op because he's planning to spend $650, and after I picked out the other needed components, he still had enough to splurge on a fast i7 (ie, I even picked a model pretty high up the line). Just in case he really wants to get heavy with VSTs.

            An i5 would have met a little more modest needs, and a tighter budget.


            • #21
              Intel i5 3210m is duel core and Hyper-Threading. I have one in my new laptop and it does Sonar and VSTs just fine - even Arturia's Moog Modular V which is a huge CPU hog.
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              • #22
                The speed of the cpu doesn't have a significant effect on graphics. (But the different internal architecture of CPU gens can. And of course different GPUs will).

                Both 2nd and 3rd gen Intel graphics are fine for everything except heavy-duty animation (basically graphic intensive "photo-realistic" games like Battlefield 3, or editing HD video with real-time effects like scene fades). It sounds like your game/video needs are on the modest side. 3rd gen should do, and maybe even 2nd would be fine to you.

                The good thing about integrated graphics is that most motherboards have HDMI, displayport, and vga connectors to support the integrated GPU, perhaps even supporting multiple monitors via those connectors. If you go with a cpu without the gpu, then those connectors simply take up space.

                But if you wanted a separate video card (or cards for a crossfire setup), then I would have instead picked out a current Xeon E3 CPU, and video card (rather than the 3rd gen i7 I picked in the other thread). I especially would have come up with an even more kick-butt system (not that the other setup doesn't already suit your needs) if I knew the budget was now $750 (rather than $650). Or, did it suddenly drop to $400?? You definitely need to set a budget.

                But check with me if/before you go any mini ITX form-factor, as this requires special attention to details/specs.

                P.S. Both 3rd and 2nd gen i7 do hyperthreading (with some exceptions). It's the i5 that doesn't.


                • #23
                  Yeah the mobile i5's are essentially desktop i3's -- 2 cores with hyperthreading. Desktop i5's are 4 cores (without hyperthreading) which is why they're more powerful.


                  • #24
                    i just bought an i5 Ivy Bridge and a Z77 mobo and ram for ~$370. I needed to upgrade from my AMD Phenom 940 DDR2 mobo... i'm planning on using the Radeon 6790 with it and not use the built-in GPU... from what I gather it won't be an improvement. hope to have it in a a day or two... i can pm u if u r interested, but i don't know what I'd say other than it's an improvement over my old system.
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                    • #25
                      I lowered to $400 tower-only to hopefully get more power than a $750 laptop.


                      • #26

                        Quote Originally Posted by maarkr
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                        i just bought an i5 Ivy Bridge and a Z77 mobo and ram for ~$370. I'm planning on using the Radeon 6790 with it and not use the built-in GPU.

                        There are some i5's without a GPU, such as the 3350P. The "P" at the end of the model means no GPU. If you're not going to use the gpu, may as well not pay for it. Better yet in that case is to consider one of the E3 Xeons, as those are like an i7 without gpu, but priced in the i5 range, such as the 1230:


                        Like an i7, this has 4 cores with hyperthreading.


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                          • #28

                            Quote Originally Posted by sslow235comp
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                            which of those laptops would you get for games, hd video, and DAW?

                            None. As I said, a laptop is all about portability, not performance, flexibility, nor reliability. For those resource-intensive tasks, I use a desktop pc, and have found laptops to be too compromising for such. If you feel otherwise, you'll have to make your own decision.


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