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  • Rant : With all hyper technological advances, In the keyboard world we still have ..

    We sent robot's to mars,computers are a million times faster than 30 years ago,

    etc etc etc etc . But in the keyboard world we still don't get past or have _________?





    A good controller with a good piano feel,get past the 128 polyphony, or a good responsive wind controller, a real b3 emulation .. etc





    now your own.....







    and why with all the advancedments we don't have some simple answers to some of the problems in the keyboard world?
    <div class="signaturecontainer">Guess what? ! I have a Fever and the prescription is more cowbell !<br />
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    I once heard that if the field of medicine had developed at the same rate that computer technology has, we wouldn't have cancer, or AIDS, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, etc.



    I'm thinking a lightweight B3 copy controller with an 88-key weighted action controller on top, full pedalbard option underneath, and two 27" monitors side by side controlling an advanced computer system with any VST or DAW you want.
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    • droolmaster0
      droolmaster0 commented
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      You might think critically about what that even means to compare the progress of medicine and computer technology. The comparison makes no sense at all to me, except as a way for some science popularizer to score some points on TV.

       

      "I once heard that if the field of medicine had developed at the same rate that computer technology has, we wouldn't have cancer, or AIDS, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, etc."


  • #3
    Poly AT again! over 256 polyphony!
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    • #4






      Quote Originally Posted by minimoog
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      We sent robot's to mars,computers are a million times faster than 30 years ago,

      etc etc etc etc. But in the keyboard world we still don't get past or have a good controller with a good piano feel...




      Yes we do!

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      • #5
        The Kronos has lots of polyphony. In CX-3 mode (Hammond clone) for example , the poyphony is 400. It's amazing. Hold the sustain pedal down, run your hand over all the keys and listen to the cacophony of all notes playing at once.



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        • #6
          This is like the "what gear do I need to get for more/better paying gigs" thread. The problem with technology in music isn't the technology, it's the music. Good music is just hard to make and even harder to rate. What sounds great to me at 2:30 in the morning after a bottle and a half of merlot sends my wife, kids, and dogs running for Gangnam Style the next day. A better V-piano would make me compettive with Chopin. The new boards (and software) are so complicated that they are almost unusable by amatures but when the iPad came along and gave "pro quality" loopsets to the masses for $4.99 everyone started to complain about the plethora of crap music. I can do far more with each of my keyboards now than I could with my Ensoniq 25 years ago but they all still sound like me and when I hear recordings from that old machine I marvel at how full the sound was and kick myself for ever letting it go.

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          • #7
            Well yea but more models with Poly At only the VAX thing and the new Rodhes



            BTW if the Vax77 is so good ,why i don't see it more with the Pros?
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            • #8






              Quote Originally Posted by minimoog
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              Well yea but more models with Poly At only the VAX thing and the new Rodhes

              BTW if the Vax77 is so good ,why i don't see it more with the Pros?




              It isn't cheap, and we live in ****************ty economic times.



              If I had to name the keyboards I've seen the most with today's modern bands, I would pick the Korg Microkorg (cheap!) and the Moog Little Phatty (not cheap! But... um... retro?)
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              • #9
                Good controllers are hard to find.



                I had a $600 Remote 61. The keybed was the only thing nice about it. The rest of it was made of cheap creaky plastic. The "Auto"map feature only seemed to work with my Waldorf Edition plug-ins. The rest had to be manually set-up even though there were presets for it, they never worked. I'm sorry, but part of the reason I paid a premium for that particular controller was so I didn't have to program all the controls myself!



                Replaced it with an AKAI MPK-49 which was a much nicer build quality but I REALLY didn't like the keybed, so I returned it. I got so sick of hunting for a quality keyboard controller that I gave up, sold a **** ton of synths (including the Mopho) and bought a C-Thru Music AXiS-64. Talk about an achievement. That's one of the best things that ever happened for keyboard players, yet 99.9% of them don't even know it. Yes, it was bloody expensive, and yes I had to totally relearn how to play but I was never classically trained in the first place. Plus, it's built like a tank and I absolutely LOVE the harmonic table keyboard WAY better anyways. My music is so much more.... umm.... musical, I guess is the word I'm looking for.

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                • #10
                  +1 to what Plaid said about keyboard controllers. Agreed, the ReMOTE SL has a nice keyboard, but everything else is exactly as described. For the premium, it should have been built better. Or, franky, I WOULD have paid a leeeetle more if it meant a better quaility case and controls.



                  /rant



                  Otherwise, I don't agree with Mini... The stuff we have this day in age is lightyears beyond what was available only 10 or 20 years prior. I suspect that what MM is really whining about is that all the high-end features can't be had for a buck-fiddy.
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                  • #11






                    Quote Originally Posted by ElectricPuppy
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                    ...Otherwise, I don't agree with Mini... The stuff we have this day in age is lightyears beyond what was available only 10 or 20 years prior. I suspect that what MM is really whining about is that all the high-end features can't be had for a buck-fiddy.




                    Not to mention we (rock keyboardists) are a bit of a niche market. Especially if you narrow it down to those willing to pay for a quality product. The market dictates.



                    Having said that, I'm quite content with what's available today. Considering what we used to haul touring in the '70's and into the 80's. Leslies, pianos and such. No complaints here. My 'big' rig fits in an SUV and the small set-up fits in a small car. No rant from me on what's become state of the art these days.

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                    • #12






                      Quote Originally Posted by ElectricPuppy
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                      Otherwise, I don't agree with Mini... The stuff we have this day in age is lightyears beyond what was available only 10 or 20 years prior. I suspect that what MM is really whining about is that all the high-end features can't be had for a buck-fiddy.




                      The last track I created involved a bit over 50 DAW tracks, with several instances of quite decent sounding orchestral libraries like Cinematic Strings and Spitfire Albion. The DAW is $60, and while the orchestral libraries (a few hundred each) are not the cheapest thing...



                      ...thirty years ago, for recording an equivalent level, we would be talking about the $100K+ equivalent large format consoles and 24 track to even come close (we could argue about analog vs DAW about sound, but the expensive tape / console setup does not have the flexibility or even the track count of the DAW, with its infinite routing and submixing capabilities).



                      Thirty years ago, there was no equivalent of a Spitfire Albion, period. Your samplers were the super-pricey Synclavier and Fairlight, with the "budget" $8000 (1982 dollars) Emulator also around. These extremely expensive tools could... well, they could make grungy-sounding "orchestra hits". 20 years ago, the golden standard for orchestral sounds was the Kurzweil K2000 with the orchestra ROM, nice for its time, but just comparing the sounds with the demos of any decent modern library should show a *lot* of difference.



                      Also, as far as B3 emulations go, the OP clearly has not heard the Neo Ventilator.



                      Controllers are indeed a sore spot, though.
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                      • #13






                        Quote Originally Posted by minimoog
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                        or a good responsive wind controller




                        We do have them. You've brought this topic up before but never said which of your needs are not being met in the wind controller market.



                        minimoog thread: is it that hard to make a wind controller with more options for expresion?

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                        • #14
                          I suspect the technology exists, but that not enough people are willing to pay for it to make it financially feasible for any company to produce. People don't want to pay more than $500 for a controller and then bitch that it doesn't have the action of a $40,000 Steinway.
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                            Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                            I suspect the technology exists, but that not enough people are willing to pay for it to make it financially feasible for any company to produce. People don't want to pay more than $500 for a controller and then bitch that it doesn't have the action of a $40,000 Steinway.




                            And that is the core of the problem.



                            I bought my Kurzweil MIDIBoard brand new for $1700 back in 1989. In those days good controllers were made and people paid for that quality.



                            I'm always disappointed when today's controllers don't have the feel and features of my MB. They're nowhere near as sturdy and rugged either. And with cheap manufacturing and cutthroat competition abound, the market no longer exists for a decent controller.



                            Is my MB obsolete? It doesn't implement 14-bit NRPNs but there are hardware add-ons for that. I am happy with my MB and it doesn't need to do EVERYTHING.



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