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  • #31
    Seriously, your sentences don't make any sense..

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    • #32
      I will simplify and leave out the levity. I am saying obviously you don't take a modulated leslie effect and put it thru another one. I am also saying that IMO a Neo does not accurately create a leslie effect when I have heard and an used to hearing a real whirling speaker in a baffle.

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      • #33
        OC, I think the first version of your post made sense... I think it's just a little hard to read (probably more so for non native English speakers) because of the punctuation (or lack thereof). Commas and periods (and capitalization) in the right places would help a lot! Other than that, I think the biggest problem was just a typo, where you probably meant to type "of" instead of "or" where you said "SIM or KB3."

        Better punctuated version follows (some changes are judgment calls, there's more than one possible approach to maximize readability, and I didn't make every possible fix). There are other changes you could make as well, but really, I think punctuation is 90% of it.

        Yes, obviously you would want to circumvent the leslie SIM of KB3 on the Kurz. Not sure how you would do that, exactly. But no, I knew enough not to send it thru two series of leslie effects. Let's see, leslie squared, what would that = ?? It would really give it a whirl then lol!

        Well some so called expert reviewer says the neo sounds just like a Leslie!?? Having played a hammond and heard a real leslie in my younger days, I don't know. Not easy to replicate, I don't think.

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        • #34
          I think it's just a little hard to read (probably more so for non native English speakers)


          As well as for anyone speaking English ....
          '57 Hammond B3; '69 Hammond L100P; Hammond XM2/XMc2; '68 Leslie 122; Motion Sound Low Pro/Pro 3T; Neo Vent; Kurzweil PC3; Generalmusic Equinox 88 Pro and 76; Voce V5+; EV ELX112P; '67 Howard Combo Organ; http://www.dyinbreedband.webs.com

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          • #35
            I just opened mine tonight, and think in typical fashion it sounds great, but surprised that the preset ogans are so few...No diubt, pro build quality...
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            • #36
              Update the OS to latest v2.10 (if it already isn't), you'll find more Hammonds then.
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              • #37
                More than in 2.03? I haven't updated yet...

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                • #38
                  Perhaps the stock OS his PC361 arrived with was pre-2.0.3...
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                  • #39
                    I just opened mine tonight, and think in typical fashion it sounds great, but surprised that the preset ogans are so few...No diubt, pro build quality...


                    Hmmmm.... I think you have not found all of them yet.

                    KB3 programs are at: 49-56, 178-184 and 886-950.
                    49-56 use the "new" Leslie.

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                    • #40
                      And to keep that in context... Once you find a handful of basic presets you like, you can then create as many variations as you want out of them. I mean, if you're trying to emulate a real tonewheel Hammond, while it did have some presets (and Kurz provides more presets than a real B3 had), the bulk of the sound generation was done by manipulating its controls in real time rather than by selecting presets, and the Kurz is perfectly adept at that real time control as well, and that's part of what makes it such a usable board for organ.

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                      • #41
                        Do modern Kurzweil sounds cut through, or have any balls or presence in the live mix? I don't see as many live players using them nowadays. If Delaware Dave says they do, that's good enough for me!
                        Gear: a room full of really LOUD plastic crap

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                        • #42
                          They do cut through. If they don't do that for anyone, they should learn the Master EQ and Comp and adjust it to match the venue on the sound check before the gig!
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                          • #43
                            I've played professionally for 40 years, starting with a 1936 Model A Hammond and "Twin Towers" 31H Leslies, migrating through a couple of B3s, then an ARP Soloist in 1970, followed by an array of portable keyboards--each of which failed to entirely replace the Hammond as my meat-n-potatoes keybed. I played Kurzweils at the music store where I worked, starting with their K1000 series, and although the "real" pianos and strings were unparalleled, I could never justify the price. Then, last year, in search of that perfect, all around board--that gave me great organs plus other sounds, I bit on the PC361 and never looked back. This board has it all (except a piano-type keybed which personally doesn't affect me negatively). And some underlying current of negativity in these posts concerning the Leslie effect doesn't wash: If you don't have the factory Leslie characteristics in this board that appeals to your tastes, you can literally define your own and apply a multitude of adjustable parameters to the Leslie effect to make it what you believe to be "real". I have a couple of Hammond-Leslie settings that I've honed since owning this board for 10 months that I will bet any true Hammond purist will match, tone for tone, effect for effect, anything "real".

                            These PC3 series from Kurzweil are unmatched in the industry IMO. The 76 note version (PC3) has the greatest keybed I have ever played on: a hybrid between the fast cut keys on a synth, and the fully weighted keys found on boards like Yamaha's CP (new) series. Unfortunately both the PC3 and its 61 note little brother are out of production, but if you can find a clean used one, BUY IT!

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                            • peter dinan
                              peter dinan commented
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                              Bought one of these recently. Unlike the reviewer above I am very new to this kind of keyboard. It is obviously designed for the experienced professional and is very dificult to negotiate. The complexity of the multifunction controls is baffling and detract from the pleasure of playing. The keybed itself and the sounds are world class, and no doubt IF you manage to learn how to programme the thing you would get amazing results. As it is, as I have M.E. , I have decided to sell it (at a loss) for


                          • #44
                            I would agree. Wish I would have bought a PC3 new when they were still in production. The Roland ivory feel action wears me out and slows me down, even on the lightest setting. It feels heavier than a real piano action wise. Played an SP88 the other day and action wise I was in heaven.

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                            • #45
                              I spent some time recently syncing up the double leslie by syncing speed times and ramp up/down times so that the two leslies stay in sync. The double leslie phaseyness has been minimized and now sounds much better to me. Not quite vent quality but at a point where if i didn't have a vent I probably would not purchase a vent; i'd just go with the double leslie.
                              '57 Hammond B3; '69 Hammond L100P; Hammond XM2/XMc2; '68 Leslie 122; Motion Sound Low Pro/Pro 3T; Neo Vent; Kurzweil PC3; Generalmusic Equinox 88 Pro and 76; Voce V5+; EV ELX112P; '67 Howard Combo Organ; http://www.dyinbreedband.webs.com

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