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  • #16

    Setup mode: these sounds confused me. I almost expected to find them blank, all ready to put together some layers, splits, etc. of my own. But there are quite a few pre-programmed sounds in there. Are they meant to be useful or just to demonstrate how to use setups? They seemed random and not completely "finished." In some, drum loops and arps start randomly, and don't follow the chords I'm playing. Sections of the keyboard are sometimes blank. Maybe this is one of those moments when I'm carrying over expectations from previous synths, but I expected the arps to match the chords I was playing, and to "hold" (continue) when I lift my hands, etc. More like Triton Combis? It's not a big deal. This arranger-type stuff isn't what I need or will use them for. But maybe I'm missing something about them?


    The more you read about SETUPs, you will understand the great flexibility it brings to all your gear.
    Unfortunately, documentation on how they are supposed to work at the preset level is a little light.
    Essentially, you will find that you are going to spend more time editing and finding out how a particular SETUP works and integrating into your own SETUP. Things like the ARPs can be a little confusing for new Kurzweil owners, as they can be set up to track your finger playing, or triggered like a step sequencer.
    The "arranger" type stuff is their showing you possibilities. If you are gigging with splits you may not really see the need for this type of stuff. Kurzweil call them "RIFFs" and they are a powerful feature on the PC3 series. The Riff could be a sequence you want to trigger on another piece of gear, stacked with the PC3, or the PC3 itself. They can be set up to trigger on and off on various keys and or with buttons/pedals. The ARPS are programmed not to hold, but you can program them to hold.

    What I suggest you do to fast track your Kurzweil knowledge, is focus on a few SETUPs that have your interest, and ask more detailed questions about them. That way you won't have "It should work like this?" and "Why is it like that?" moments. But you will have moments thinking how deep the thing is.

    Get in amongst the various Kurzweil based communities and short circuit the learning curve.
    C O W Z A R - - - > Mastering V.A.S.T FORUM

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    • #17
      The more you read about SETUPs, you will understand the great flexibility it brings to all your gear.
      Unfortunately, documentation on how they are supposed to work at the preset level is a little light.


      Kurzweil owner's manuals are, at best, often vague.
      Too many keyboards, not enough music.

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      • #18
        Strange why this is still $1895 at MF.

        http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/kurzweil-pc361-performance-controller

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        • #19
          Strange why this is still $1895 at MF.

          http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/kurzweil-pc361-performance-controller


          Talk about strange: this got no bids!

          http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&n ma=true&item=260962174935&si=6d%252FiqNS05BJvzH66F biQTQbZvmY%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AWN A%3AUS%3A1123&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
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          • #20
            Anyone has any comments about the PC3's KB3 mode? I am interested in that and how it stacks up to the latest Nord B3 emulation?

            TIA,

            aL
            www.Six30Jam.com

            http://www.youtube.com/six30jam

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            • #21
              Anyone has any comments about the PC3's KB3 mode? I am interested in that and how it stacks up to the latest Nord B3 emulation?

              TIA,

              aL


              It's very good from a tone standpoint, but the Leslie sim remains its weakness IMO. Kurzweil has made some tweaks to improve it in the latest OS releases, but there is still a noticeable difference next to my Kronos' CX-3 sim or my Ventilator.
              Keyboards: Roland Fantom G6 (2); Korg Kronos 61; Muse Receptor VIP; Nord Electro 3; Privia PX-350Guitar Stuff: Route 101 Solimar; Line 6 POD X3 Live, Pocket POD (2)

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              • #22
                Kurzweil owner's manuals are, at best, often vague.


                I feel quite the opposite -- I think they're some of the best manuals (I also really like Ensoniq's manuals) I've read. For the PC3 series you'll probably want to add the K2661 Musician's Guide and Musician's Reference to your reading list, as well as the KSP8 manual (for its more in-depth descriptions of the effects algorithms), as the PC3 manual doesn't have in-depth descriptions of all of the DSP algorithms, individual effect blocks, or FUNs.
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                • #23
                  It's very good from a tone standpoint, but the Leslie sim remains its weakness IMO. Kurzweil has made some tweaks to improve it in the latest OS releases, but there is still a noticeable difference next to my Kronos' CX-3 sim or my Ventilator.


                  Thanks. OK. So I can use my vent with the PC3 in KB3 mode and I'm good to go!! Now, I have to find a place that has one of these puppies so I can play it before I bite.

                  aL
                  www.Six30Jam.com

                  http://www.youtube.com/six30jam

                  ____________________

                  Nord Stage
                  Nord Piano 88
                  Kurzweil PC361
                  Numa Organ
                  Yamaha An1x

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                  • #24
                    I feel quite the opposite -- I think they're some of the best manuals (I also really like Ensoniq's manuals) I've read.


                    Perhaps they have improved in the last 5-6 years.
                    Too many keyboards, not enough music.

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                    • #25
                      Thanks. OK. So I can use my vent with the PC3 in KB3 mode and I'm good to go!! Now, I have to find a place that has one of these puppies so I can play it before I bite.

                      aL


                      Definitely -- the PC3 sounds tasty through the Ventilator.
                      Keyboards: Roland Fantom G6 (2); Korg Kronos 61; Muse Receptor VIP; Nord Electro 3; Privia PX-350Guitar Stuff: Route 101 Solimar; Line 6 POD X3 Live, Pocket POD (2)

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                      • #26
                        It's very good from a tone standpoint, but the Leslie sim remains its weakness IMO. Kurzweil has made some tweaks to improve it in the latest OS releases, but there is still a noticeable difference next to my Kronos' CX-3 sim or my Ventilator.

                        +1.
                        I find that the KB3 is closer to sounding more authentic to a hammond than the leslie simulation is to sounding like a 122/147. The leslie sim, although improved (some would say vastly improved) is still not there. I use a Vent. The other piece (IMO) is that the chorus/vibrato digital circuitry could also be improved.
                        '57 Hammond B3; '69 Hammond L100P; Hammond XM2/XMc2; '68 Leslie 122; Motion Sound Low Pro/Pro 3T; Neo Vent; Kurzweil PC3; Generalmusic Equinox 88 Pro and 76 key versions; Voce V5+; EV ELX112P; '67 Howard Combo Organ; http://www.dyinbreedband.com

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                        • #27
                          I tried the vent with my Yamaha S90XS and it did alot for the organ sounds on it as that board had an organ monotone basically but still did not impress me quite enough to make it worth the money. But on the Kurz would you use the Neo along with the KB3 piped thru it giving you a double leslie simulation effect??

                          PS order it from Sweetwater and if your not impressed with it, return it, thats what I did and no questions asked they're great! Whether I would find it particularly impressive on the Kurz I don't know?

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                          • #28
                            But on the Kurz would you use the Neo along with the KB3 piped thru it giving you a double leslie simulation effect??


                            Of course not. I wouldn't give you a double (stereo) leslie effect, but a leslie through a leslie. That sounds horrible.

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                            • #29
                              Are there, btw, any alternatives for the Vent? Perhaps multieffects with expression pedals?
                              I am wanting, I am thinking
                              To arise and go forth singing,
                              Sing my songs and say my sayings,
                              Hymns ancestral harmonizing,
                              Lore of kindred lyricking.
                              In my mouth the words are melting;
                              Utterances overflowing
                              To my tongue are hurrying,
                              Even against my teeth they burst.

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                              • #30
                                Yes obviously you would want to circumvent the leslie SIM or KB3 on the Kurz not sure how you would do that exactly but. No, I knew enough not to send it thru two series of leslie effects lets see leslie squared what would that = ?? It would really give it a whirl then lol!

                                Well some so called expert reviewer says the neo sounds just like a Leslie!?? Having played a hammond and heard a real leslie in my younger days I don't know not easy to replicate I don't think.

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