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    What would get me pretty realistic orchestral sounds? I'm not to worried about anything else. Maybe a piano that doesn't sound like a cascio piano would be nice too. I'm trying to get a live board but I guess I could lug my desktop around with softsynths.
    http://www.guitarampboard.com/index.php

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    What's your budget? You can go anywhere from a $100 GM module up to spending $12,000+ on a few dedicated computers running the complete Vienna Symphonic library.

    For a reasonable middle ground I'd suggest the Roland Fantom module or keyboard with the SRX-06 complete orchestra board. Add the SRX-04 Symphonique Strings board for a bit more detail and richness in the strings.

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    • #3
      What would get me pretty realistic orchestral sounds? I'm not to worried about anything else. Maybe a piano that doesn't sound like a cascio piano would be nice too. I'm trying to get a live board but I guess I could lug my desktop around with softsynths.



      Hi. What catagory of orchestral sounds do you like? Are you looking for overall selection of orchestral sounds?

      I have a Roland XP-60 with an addon card that has some really nice strings and orchestral sounds. There are two volumes of these addon cards.

      I really love the strings actually. Best strings I have heard other than an actual sampler.

      Here's some links that may help.

      Link one

      Link two

      I have the first one listed.

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      • #4
        I think Kurzweil has some great sounding orchestra sounds in their keyboards. If you really want to do orchestration right however, I think its better to do it with computer programs as the packages available now are unmatched in sound quality. East West Platinum Bundle, The Vienna Symphonic Library and the Garrison Collection are just a few off the top of my head. You could a keyboard controller with a computer and the programs and have a great set up. As the previous post suggested, your price range really determines your options.

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        • #5
          Hi. What catagory of orchestral sounds do you like? Are you looking for overall selection of orchestral sounds?

          I have a Roland XP-60 with an addon card that has some really nice strings and orchestral sounds. There are two volumes of these addon cards.

          I really love the strings actually. Best strings I have heard other than an actual sampler.

          Here's some links that may help.

          Link one

          Link two

          I have the first one listed.



          Yes just basically strings. I'm not too keen on woodwinds or brass. I already have a midi controller so a module would also be an option unless I in fact need a board to run the card. I wanted to land in the area of 600 give or take.
          http://www.guitarampboard.com/index.php

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          • #6
            This is the module version.

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            • #7
              This is the module version.

              Link



              and this thing actually sounds closer to an orchestra and not a 1980s keyboard trting to do strings?
              http://www.guitarampboard.com/index.php

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              • #8
                For cheap but great orchestral sound would say the same Synth Dimmu Borgir used for long time for that: Korg x5d. For more expensive a Kurzwell or other Korg would be my choice.
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                • #9
                  and this thing actually sounds closer to an orchestra and not a 1980s keyboard trting to do strings?


                  Yeah, It does have stock sounds but I think the addon cards are better for orchestra sounds.

                  http://www.nathansheldon.com/xp-80/expansion-board-demos.html

                  You can listen to the demos on that page.


                  SR-JV80-16 (Orchestral II)
                  SR-JV80-02 (Orchestral) I have this one.

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                  • #10
                    Depending on your budget, you could do a lot worse than the Kurzweil K2500RS or K2000, or Roland XP30 -- all of which are going for at or under $500.

                    The Kurzweil is evidence that the quality and care put into creating the samples really makes a huge difference. The orchestral instruments just sound really really good.

                    The XP30 with an orchestral II card thrown in for good measure is also a good choice. Orchestral I is pre-installed, among others.
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                    • #11
                      and this thing actually sounds closer to an orchestra and not a 1980s keyboard trting to do strings?


                      It sounds fine. Keep in mind that it has a lot more to do with HOW you use it than just the sounds.

                      I am a pro violinist. When using synths, keep in mind that string players have a huge range of articulations, every note is different. Also, our long notes decay, we dont sustain them. Therefore, ride the faders or automate the ends of notes. Also, try to layer several patches, as long as they are not too similiar ( phasing).

                      The Roland strings are OK, I have the orch. expansion board. Stay outta the high registers, the lower work much better. Again, watch the ends of notes, its a dead giveaway. I literally go into Sonar, highlight the ends of notes, and do a fade. It takes forever but it is worth it.

                      I am just finishing another CD. For this one I had the luxury of hiring 12 very expensive orchestra players. I had 6 violins and 3 cellos, it was a beautiful sound but a little thin, so I snuck a few synths under the texture to beef it up. I used a Korg X50 for the cellos, a Roland for sustained strings, a Yamaha MM6 for spiccato and marcato strings. The results? Mindblowing. Sounds better than real strings. The synths took away intonation problems that a small group might have and really filled in the holes.
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                      • #12
                        It sounds fine. Keep in mind that it has a lot more to do with HOW you use it than just the sounds.

                        I am a pro violinist. When using synths, keep in mind that string players have a huge range of articulations, every note is different. Also, our long notes decay, we dont sustain them. Therefore, ride the faders or automate the ends of notes. Also, try to layer several patches, as long as they are not too similiar ( phasing).

                        The Roland strings are OK, I have the orch. expansion board. Stay outta the high registers, the lower work much better. Again, watch the ends of notes, its a dead giveaway. I literally go into Sonar, highlight the ends of notes, and do a fade. It takes forever but it is worth it.

                        I am just finishing another CD. For this one I had the luxury of hiring 12 very expensive orchestra players. I had 6 violins and 3 cellos, it was a beautiful sound but a little thin, so I snuck a few synths under the texture to beef it up. I used a Korg X50 for the cellos, a Roland for sustained strings, a Yamaha MM6 for spiccato and marcato strings. The results? Mindblowing. Sounds better than real strings. The synths took away intonation problems that a small group might have and really filled in the holes.


                        Looking forward to hearing this ...

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                        • #13
                          the korg TR has a very nice array of orchestral sounds and strings, think the micro x have them two. I use to own an xp-30 with the orchestral I and II cards and they also sounded good.

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                          • #14
                            the korg TR has a very nice array of orchestral sounds and strings, think the micro x have them two. I use to own an xp-30 with the orchestral I and II cards and they also sounded good.


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                            • #15
                              I'm curious what these great strings are I keep hearing about that come from a stock Kurzweil K2500? If you invest in some decent sample libraries, or you're able to get some included when you buy the unit the Kurzweil can produce the finest string emulations possible, but what comes out of the box is pretty dismal in my opinion. There's basically the one "String Ensemble" keymap that dates back to the old K250, a thin Pizz sample in the Orchestral expansion ROM, and some generic solo instrument samples without real vibrato. No tremelo, sordino or marcatto.

                              If strings are all you're after look for a Roland XV-2020 module. It's a half rack unit that will host 2 SRX boards. It seems to have been discontinued unfortunately. Put the SRX-04 Symphonique strings in there and you're in business. (There's one on ebay currently with a "Buy-It-Now" price of $450)

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