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    So I get a call from a salesman at Guitar Center, letting me know that they finally have the Kronos on display again to audition. I rush over during my lunch hour, and get to audition the boards (both a 60-key for $2799 and an 88-key for $3299).

    German piano and Japanese piano were my main motivators. All the other engines, the fancy combis, even the sequencer, were all secondary to having an acoustic piano or two worthy of solo piano sonatas.

    Not.

    They were brash, thin, and sterile, with most of the velocity settings favoring hard hammered sounds. Not fluid and warm, nor subtle and responsive, nor expressive and dynamic like I had hoped (for over a year now). Not rich, but flat. Not sonorous, but more fitting for something in the distance that *might* cut through a heavy mix. Not sweet and personal, but more like a really well-recorded soundfont with more than 7 velocity layers, too many to count but not enough to expressively sing.



    I don't know. Maybe I just had too high expectations. I thought streaming GB samples from the hard disk would magically render an almost acoustic feel.

    I get better balance, tone, expressiveness, and bold sweetness from tweaking my modest set up of EX-5, WSA, Fusion, and Kurzweil Micro Piano multi-combo. Not totally faithful to actual acoustic, since it has a touch of Rhodes for thickness, some Micron Ice Tongs for ghostly background singing, Fusion boxiness for big bass notes, WSA infinite (but thin) velocity hammer responsiveness for acoustic expression...

    And of course, the main course and dominant sound is the Kurzweil. Around 75% Kurzweil, 60% Fusion, 60% WSA, and 50% EX-5. With a 10% touch of Micron, maybe more if I'm in the mood for Debussy.

    Sorry, long post. Likely dead, too. To all you other Kronos owners, am I missing something? Besides the crappy mono Guitar Center speakers, I did bring a pair of my smartphone earbuds to audition it with. And compared to the Motif's softer but less dynamic grands (which itself is also comparatively weak), the Kronos did not --in the slightest-- compel me to give it a second chance.

    I guess I should just get a Yamaha acoustic upright piano for $50/month and settle with that, eh?

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    WOW.

    Just... WOW.

    Were you listening through THIS?



    or this?



    I really don't know what to say. I really don't...






    WOW...
    Response from John from American Musical Supply on why I have received 2 used/damaged Korg M3's and 1 reboxed M3 from Guitar Center (a.k.a. why I'll never buy from AMS again): Footfall wrote:What you're experiencing with these units is the result of our warehouse crew intentionally "overpacking" this product.Current Korg Gear: KRONOS 88 (4GB), M50-73 (PS mod), RADIAS-73, Electribe MX, Triton Pro (MOSS, SCSI, CF, 64MB RAM), DVP-1, MEX-8000, MR-1, KAOSSilator, nanoKey, nanoKontrol, nanoPAD 2

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    • #3
      Agreed with McHale. You did something wrong, because the general public does not agree with you. "Smartphone earbuds", really? Dude, you have to bring pro headphones with ya. Not some earbud crap.

      Now, Kronos' pianos are definitely not the best this world has to offer (Pianoteq, especially the beta I have here, kills pretty much anything out there), but they're absolutely the best ones in the workstation world, period.
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      • #4
        It also depends on what you are used to hearing from an instrument like this. Out of the rompler/workstations, yammi motif piano is my least fav. Kurz's are my favs. Korg and Roland are in between but just different.

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        • #5
          It also depends on what you are used to hearing from an instrument like this. Out of the rompler/workstations, yammi motif piano is my least fav. Kurz's are my favs. Korg and Roland are in between but just different.


          I agree that the Motif XS piano is the weakest, but the demo I heard of the XF piano nearly brought tears to my eyes.

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          • #6
            I agree that the Motif XS piano is the weakest, but the demo I heard of the XF piano nearly brought tears to my eyes.


            Happy tears because it is so good?

            Also to the OP, if you think the Kronos pianos are weak, I doubt anything will satisfy you unless you buy a Yamaha concert grand.
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            • #7
              I did bring a pair of my smartphone earbuds to audition it with.


              nice troll.



              the rest of us are going to continue making music to the best of our intentions regardless of your observation.



              go buy a pair of real headphones, like Grado SR125s, and then get back to us. we might take you srsly that time.
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              • #8
                ...or BeyerDynamic DT880.


                A brilliant pair!
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                • #9
                  brash, thin, and sterile, with most of the velocity settings favoring hard hammered sounds. Not fluid and warm, nor subtle and responsive, nor expressive and dynamic like I had hoped (for over a year now). Not rich, but flat. Not sonorous, but more fitting for something in the distance that *might* cut through a heavy mix. Not sweet and personal


                  I actually pretty much agree with that. I've only played the two main Japanese and German Kronos piano presets, and not the other variations that are in there somewhere, but I found them merely competent. I would take them over the Kurzweils, but I actually prefer the Yamaha XS/MOX piano sound, even though you and others here aren't so thrilled with that one. My favorite is the Nord Piano/Nord Stage 2. I'm not saying any of these are perfect, not by a long shot, but I find them simply more musically satisfying to play. (I also like the Kawai MP10 piano sound better than Kronos, but I don't like the action... plus, it weighs a ton.)

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                  • #10
                    Good headphone will highlight faults but if you don't like it you don't like it. Try the SV 1, a different sound development team I suspect... You may full in love with it's sound...
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                    • #11
                      nice troll.





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                      • #12
                        Kawai MP series keyboard action is top notch, IMHO...
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                        • #13
                          I actually pretty much agree with that. I've only played the two main Japanese and German Kronos piano presets, and not the other variations that are in there somewhere, but I found them merely competent. I would take them over the Kurzweils, but I actually prefer the Yamaha XS/MOX piano sound, even though you and others here aren't so thrilled with that one. My favorite is the Nord Piano/Nord Stage 2. I'm not saying any of these are perfect, not by a long shot, but I find them simply more musically satisfying to play. (I also like the Kawai MP10 piano sound better than Kronos, but I don't like the action... plus, it weighs a ton.)


                          I am with you on the MoX. But have you tried the XF? [remember: this is recorded through cam microphone, imagine a direct recording!]

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                          • #14
                            I guess I should just get a Yamaha acoustic upright piano for $50/month and settle with that, eh?



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                            • #15
                              I agree that the Motif XS piano is the weakest, but the demo I heard of the XF piano nearly brought tears to my eyes.


                              Just remember demos are just that, demos.

                              Also headphones are crucial but so is practicality.

                              What is your live and studio amp/speaker system going to be? We all can't afford to change that on a drop of a hat. A good piano, organ , and synth needs to conform to any live system and should be able to with minor tweaking.

                              How does the board feel when you play and perform on it. 80% self happiness should be yours and the other 20 should belong to the critiques that will always come from bandmates and the audience; when they decide to get around to listening to you. They too deserve a voice, for positive feedback is good for the soul and will enhance you marketability as a player.

                              Be confident, have a curtious demeanor, be loyal, and most of all open minded. But make the call! You will gain respect that way. And most of play your butt off with a balance of aggressiveness, subtly, tasty harmonies, cool transcribing and chording choices, scale leads, and musical blues/JAZZ fills. Works for me after all these years in any situation.

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