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  • #31
    Back to the guitar...I'm intrigued by the "blending" concept. Maybe this was already mentioned, but couldn't you use a stereo jack and put each pickup on its own out? Then you could go into a pedal or other box to do crossfading and blending.
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    • #32
      Wouldn't even pedal like the Ernie Ball stereo/pan pedal have the same problems of mixing an active AND passive signal?


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      • #33
        Well, it all depends on whether the output levels and such...worst case is you'd need some kind of buffer between the passive out and the pedal.

        I'm curious about two things.

        1) Is this a GC-only exclusive thing forever, or for a limited period of time?

        2) Jon, have you tried recording in stereo with the piezo panned toward one side and the electric toward the other?
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        • #34
          Craig,

          According to the response to my post, Mr. Rockfield replied,
          "In my opinion the best or the most dynamic sounding way to run this guitar is into 2 separate sound sources. Like in the video I used 1 electric amp and 1 true or designated acoustic amp.
          This to me is the best tone! I have even used a PA for the acoustic side and it was killer...

          However, you don’t need to have 2 amps....you can use 1 - 2 channel electric guitar amp preferably and both tones with still sound awesome!"


          I had a friend call me last night who was on his way to GC in Totowa, NJ, and I asked him to try out this guitar. There is a stereo quarter-inch included in the package that essentially splits the pickups to different amps (or dual-channel single amp). I don't know if you can use a mono cable and get the 'blended' sound, though.

          Yes, you can. --Jon Chappell


          My buddy is a tone-hound and said it definitely was a sweet-sounding guitar, but be aware that the distorted guitar sound is not on-board, but rather is post-guitar. When I first heard the samples on the site, I assumed that, like the Line6, it had the effects on-board. I occasionally play a Variax acoustic 700 and thought this might be the same technology, but alas, no.

          It's a beauty, though. I absolutely love the look of this thing.

          peace,
          Tim from Jersey
          ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Originally Posted by MattACaster : *Runs 2 blocks down the street to Guitar Center, grabs detuned Schecter off the wall, plugs into Line6 Spider and proceeds to bring teh brootalz*

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          • #35
            [from guitarseeker
            Hey, Jon:
            I have considered a number of guitars that promise acoustic and electric tone on one instrument including the T5. While many are fun and cool— in a real gig situation they just do not seem to do what I want them to do.


            If you can't find a solution in the Taylor T-5, which is a pretty versatile guitar, what specifically are you looking for? If it's a simpler approach, the MK Hybrid may help. But I'm not comparing the two. The T-5 is a $2,000 instrument; the Hybrid is $500.

            I want to be able to go from an acoustic sound to an electric sound in the middle of a song without messing with a bunch of controls on my guitar or amp. You have the instrument for this review, do you feel that you could quickly switch from the acoustic tone that you prefer to a heavy electric tone in the middle of a song on a real gig? Would this one be seamless, or would it be like the rest that require a turn here and tweak there to get to that promise land of real, honest flexibility>


            It would be seamless -- if you ran the split (as opposed to the blend) configuration. In the the electric path, I would put all my pedals inline. In the acoustic path I'd have just my digital reverb/delay (in my case, a BOSS RV-3). Then you're not really touching the guitar -- except to flip the switch.

            This is where the simplicity of the two knobs and one switch comes into play (though I like Kevman's idea for a mod).

            For simplicity of operation, the Hybrid, in split mode can do what you like. If it's the quality of the sound that you're finding lacking in the T-5, my guess is you won't find it in the Hybrid, because it's not designed to compete with the T-5 -- at least on the level of sonic versatility. Remember: t-5 = $2,000; MKH =$500.

            Both of these guitars are new, and mentioning them in the same discussion is tempting, but it's not fair to either manufacturer to engage in comparisons between the two.
            Jon Chappell
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            • #36
              Anderton wrote:
              2) Jon, have you tried recording in stereo with the piezo panned toward one side and the electric toward the other?


              Last night, I plugged the Hybrid into my mixer, in split mode, using the stereo cable. Channel 1 (panned hard left) was the humbucker and Channel 2 (hard right) was the piezo. Keep in mind, this was just to compare the two pickups into a board, which gave me level readings and allowed me to listen for crosstalk. As any self-respecting guitar player knows, you would never plug an electric straight into the board!

              Both pickups produced a consistent output, and required a healthy amount of gain trim to bring them up to the 0 dB reading on the fader.

              I recorded a passage with single notes as well as strumming with just the humbucker. Then I switched over (live) to the piezo and played the same passage, being careful to match my articulations and intensity to the previous passage. Then I swtiched back, and then I played both pickups together. The volume pots were full out.

              When listening to the playback over closed-ear headphones, I heard no cross-talk when in single-pickup mode, and the waveform display was dead flat. In dual-pickup mode, the sound was fuller and seemed louder, but the waveform display confirmed the output was equal to either pickup in single mode.

              What did show up -- audibly as well as on the waveform -- was the pickup switch noise. But this is not unusual, and the noise was barely noticeable. You wouldn't even hear it in a mix.

              But it's clear some thought went into matching the levels of the pickups to each other, and when used together. Look again at the previous posts for the impedance disussion: the piezo has about a 1 kOhm output impedance (low impedance) by itself, and 3.3 kOhm (still consdered low impedance) when in dual mode, to better match the humbucker's output.

              No guitar of mine ever goes to a mixer directly; it either passes through a preamp (if it's acoustic) or a raft of effects (if it's electric), but this acid test did show that the pickups are given equal time on the Hybrid.
              Jon Chappell
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              • #37
                Is the humbucker buffered internally?

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                • #38
                  Hello everyone...

                  Good to see all the comments, suggestions and opinions! We love to hear from the players, consumers and Tone junkies out there! So thank you very much to everyone!

                  (For tats_dragon)
                  (This cat has had some great feedback and questions BTW... thanks man)

                  The humbucker is buffered. Its one of the many cool design features of the custom Fishman Pre-amp which makes this guitar so user friendly. Fishman did a great job in helping us accomplish our goal in making this technical but still user friendly and soulful guitar.

                  We did spend alot of time on this (Thanks Jon for noticing) It was a very important feature. The 2 units had to work well together and be well, simply put, "USEFULL."

                  For the switching question, we decided to use a 3 way switch because what could be easier? every player is used to a switch of somesort right? The Knob prototypes were actually harder to control on the fly for every one of our test players.

                  So.....for the user who stated:
                  I want to be able to go from an acoustic sound to an electric sound in the middle of a song without messing with a bunch of controls on my guitar or amp.
                  (Another killer statement, so well put)

                  Ding, Ding, Ding, We have a winner!
                  That is what the Hybrid is made to do. It was designed to be a player’s guitar.
                  It is versatile and useful in any setting and there is no need to have a PHD to learn how to use it! In all honesty, besides the tone, the simplicity of the overall design was one of the most important things for us to accomplish. The history of this style of guitar shows us, (I want to be clear here so “Not always, but for the most part”) that these style of instruments have always seemed “OVER DESIGNED”.
                  With that being said, we were asked by players to make it real user friendly and sound great! That’s it…a simple great sounding elegant design. Hopefully everyone who got one or is thinking about getting one agrees that we did just that.

                  Now on to another issue:

                  I'm curious about two things.
                  1. Is this a GC-only exclusive thing forever, or for a limited period of time?

                  (Thanks Jon for taking care of the second question!

                  This is "FOR NOW" a guitar center exclusive. However, we plan on a release of this model that will be available at all Michael Kelly dealers in early 2007. No exact date has been issued as of yet.

                  Again, thanks to everyone and have a great weekend to all!
                  Todd Rockfield

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                  • #39
                    trock,
                    I'm hopefully going to try this guitar @ the San Jose GC Sunday.

                    The Knob prototypes were actually harder to control on the fly for every one of our test players.


                    Was this a dual potentiometer that could turn one way for humbucker and the other for piezo?
                    This 'blend knob' idea that Kevman had was the exact thought I had when playing a Brian Moore with dedicated volume knobs for the different pickups.

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                    Bravo mic'ed wet/dry/wet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BXG-kJCCXk
                    Axe-FX direct recording http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDMmA9tYIF4
                    Rivera TBR-1M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROvOH2NajL8
                    Hafler T3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzEyWzTz8zo

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                    • #40
                      Sorry Guys,
                      Separate login for another computer (home)....It is me though! :>)
                      For Tats Question:

                      Was this a dual potentiometer that could turn one way for humbucker and the other for piezo?

                      We did try this on a couple of early prototypes and for seamless switching the application did not work for a couple reasons:

                      1. There was frequency issue that occurred in specific positions of the pot. It also had more overall noise. Not allot, but it was there. We tried many different solutions, to try and fix both issues. Really though its was all for not, because the biggest problem with this set up leads me to the most glaring issue:

                      2. To go quick from Electric to Acoustic or vise versa it was not seamless or easy. It was a blend. So at specific points in the range of motion of the pot, you could hear both blended. (Along with some noise) That was not what we, or any of the test players wanted either. So it was back to the drawing board.

                      The bottom line, Is that a 3-way switch is the easiest, most seamless, useful and above all familiar way to control a guitar. That’s why it is the way it is my friend.
                      Rockfield

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                      • #41
                        In keeping with the question about Guitar Centre exclusivity, is this guitar going to be available in Europe any time soon, or will it be another (costly) import?
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                        • #42
                          Thanks for the post percyexpat, and a great question!

                          We are hoping that the Hybrid will be available to eurpean countries within the first quarter of next year.

                          We are currently working out those details.
                          Rockfield

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by TR2
                            Thanks for the post percyexpat, and a great question!

                            We are hoping that the Hybrid will be available to eurpean countries within the first quarter of next year.

                            We are currently working out those details.


                            Okay, thanks for the info! Can't wait!
                            Good deals with: woolyh, kaz2550, fruvai, english_bob, daysofspeed, gambit, matchpoint (twice), SilenceSketches.

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                            • #44
                              Tried the Hybrid at the San Jose GC this afternoon. Went into the quiet room and listened to the electric sound, since I already liked the acoustic sound from the website.
                              I predict Michael Kelly will come out with either a multi-pickup version or alter the positioning of the existing single humbucker. Sounded excellent but since not many guitars even have a middle humbucker it was hard for me to get used to. I would probably need a special setting on the amp just for this guitar.

                              Jun
                              100% AxeFX ode to Michael Schenker www.javajunkiemusic.com/Audio/Jun/axefxremix.m4a
                              Bravo mic'ed wet/dry/wet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BXG-kJCCXk
                              Axe-FX direct recording http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDMmA9tYIF4
                              Rivera TBR-1M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROvOH2NajL8
                              Hafler T3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzEyWzTz8zo

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                              • #45
                                ok already on the elecs...everybody can and should fuss about to get "the" sound you want to be your own(Brian May comes to mind)...I'd like to ask(keeping the $tag in mind)...so hows she built? Trusty roadie? You're pro's..you know what I mean....

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