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  • Originally posted by meda peja

    1. So, tell me, even if the rp250 has a true bypass, i guess that using a "blank patch" (a patch with ALL effect off) would still cause the signal loss?
    i woudl have to use "a blank patch" because of all the inconviniance of changing to the bypass..


    If I were you, I would bypass the loop when not in use. The cables alone to run out to front of the stage and back to the loop (likely 40 feet in cables) might slightly alter your signal. There is a huge difference between signal loss and coloration of signal. The output level can be adjusted to meet the signal level you desire when the unit is not in bypass mode. Signal loss is not an issue. When used in front of an amp, the load of the cables used will slightly darken your tone but this happens with pretty much all effects when using a long cable run (actually is more apparent in a true bypass situation). You loop should be sending a line level signal which is less subject to cable load. You may just have to take a listen for yourself ans see if it works for you...

    Originally posted by meda peja

    2. when i tried any distorted patch from the Digitech rp200, also through the loop, the very loud hiss would appear..(in that situation, i was using my guitars signal, through clean channel of my amp, through send, to the input of the RP, then RP patch *lets say distorted WAH) then output of the RP to the return of the my amps effect loop..)...


    This is not the way the unit is intended to work. You're basically adding a clean boost (your amps clean channel) into the another preamp. You would likely get the same loud hiss with any overdrive/distortion set to high gain and placed in the loop.
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    • Thank You for all input very much..I was thinkinig too that i am wrongly usind effects loop, when i tried to use distorted wah from rp200 from the loop..

      Still, my main consideration is, HOW COLOURED/CHANGED I S THE SOUND WHEN ITS PROCESSED THROUGH RP250? (lets say added delay, since i am mostly oing to use it for that)
      How noticable is that, in what way (volume, less drive, muddier, bassier, treblier..?)

      Please, can any of You rp250 owners help me with this?
      THANK YOU !!!

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      • I don't know that anyone can answer that authoratatively for you since everyone's set up will be different. Best bet will be to try it for yourself. Have fun!
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        • Originally posted by chiro972
          My report is that I still can't get any sounds from my rp250 to the computer. I still like this device, but since I bought it for my practice room, I would like to be able to hear the great tones coming out of my speakers.

          Any other suggestions?


          Windows will typically default your soundcard to a USB or firwire sound device when it's plugged in. If you want to hear audio from your PC follow follow this path: Control Panel>Sound and Audio Devices and select the "Audio" tab. Under Sound playback Default device select your computers stock sound card.

          It's much easier if you're using a DAW however as routing between the 2 devices will be simplified to assigning inputs and outputs per track.

          On a side note, there is significant latency when monitoring via USB so you'll likely be fairly dissapointed if that is your main goal with the unit. You can eliminate the latency by either monitoring from your RP or running the line or headphone out into your soundcard's line in.
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          • Someone on the RP forum suggested taking the headphones out and connecting it to the input of the sound card. That way you'll eliminate all the computer's beeps and boops from coming through the RP.
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            • Originally posted by quicksilver544
              I notice that the non by-passed sound is colored by it, but I don't know if it's because of the emulated effect or not. I use it for maybe one or two effects at time and even with the eq off I hear a difference. On the other hand, it's been my experience that all effect pedals color the sound when in use.


              I tried to create empty effect setting. I wanted to use just the expression pedal as the volume pedal, but the sound was colored. What I had to do to get uncolored sound was to turn on the equalizer and set everything to maximum I think (I don't have RP250 with me and it was several weeks ago). Could someone confirm that this is the correct way to get just A/D and D/A conversions with no effects inbetween?

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              • Well, i have contacted digitech support..
                They have told me not to turn off amp modeler, but to set it to direct..
                That should minimise the coloration..
                I bought the unit..
                I think of it as a expanded volume/whamy pedal with a tuner..and only for use like that, it justifies its price..and still, i use the delay and reverb..also mod effects..
                Everything but its dist/amp models..cause i use mine Randall..
                I still havent tested it to see EXACTLY how big coloration is, but i have tried it, and it was very very subtle..then agaim, almost every delay pedal (except true bypass-expensive ones) would give similar coloration..and it would be probably much greater if all these padals would be in use (whammy, delay, reverb, chorus..).so i think that it sounds pretty much ok for this..

                Considering amp models and their distortion, i have tried them just for couriosity, and although i havent actually played all of these original amps, all distorted sounds sound like a crapp..really..terrible..(just for the record, i have tried it using return input of my ss amp..).i tried both, using output set to amp and mixer..it really sounds like hell..not in a good way! although i thout that i could use it for recording on my pc, just for recording some ideas, i think that it wont serve that purpose..

                I am away now, so i will test it a bit more in a 2 days..

                But, to summ all, i use it in effect loop, for effects delays and reverbs..volume pedal and whammy..and its doing really ok with that..!

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                • So, people, what are your thoughts..?

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                  • I tried setting direct in the amp modelling section and it indeed seems to work. For me, the coloration is non-issue in this case. I didn't know that you shouldn't turn off the amp modelling so this is really valuable piece of info.

                    I am quite satisfied with reverbs, delays and modulation effects. As for the amp models and distortions (both amps and pedals), I found that they are extremely sensitive to the other components of sound chain (guitar, pickups and guitar amp/sound monitor). Some setups sound quite well at home to my headphones and they are terrible when used for loud live playing and vice versa.

                    I think RP250 is very cool for home playing, experimenting and practicing.
                    On the other hand I'm having some problems with RP250 when playing live. It is easy to accidentally hit bad pedal when using expression pedal or when trying to hit both pedals at once (to bypass the box). Also switching delay is quite large and limits use of RP250 in many cases. But I can't expect that everything will be perfect for a such compact sized and low priced unit.

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                    • I am really glad if i helped you..
                      Today i was playing a bit with it..using it in a non standard way..in front of the amp, and not in effect loop as i actually use it..I have found some useful sound for practice, but the problem is that most of the distortionds sound very very similar..and they have no mass at all..i will try to use my boss sd-1 in conjuction with its distortions, just for fun.to see if i can get some nicer dist..
                      Delays, reverbs and mods are also ok for me..it would be nicer that not all of the fx take the same effect, so that i could use chorus and some of the other effects, or something like that..but, still, its pretty much covering my needs..and i really like the whammy..really good sounding..stil, i have to find a apropriate moment in a song to use it..ips seems to work ok..although i think that it would be better if i reduce the level of the harmony, which is available through x edit..which i still haven't downloaded..
                      And a drum machine is really great for practice..lot more fun that simple metronome, which is also available..many nice rhytms..if patterns were programmable, that would be perfect..but i guess a touch too much for the price..
                      Considering the switching latency, i think its pretty ok..i dont mind it..
                      BUt, i think that it is absolutely impossible to use the bypass mode when needed..it is so hard to go to bypass when you want to, and so easy when you don't..and thats terrible..! so that i use a blank patch with amp to direct and cab to direct for that purpose..
                      These are just some random thoughts ..i will let you know what else comes to mi mind about this unit..!

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                      • I played arround with this little thing, and i am starting really to love it..although i still think that all distortions are pretty same, i have found nice tone with slight subtle delay.and it sounds awesome-even on mine Teisco amp from 1966 with blown speaker..i am even thinking now that i can use it for some not so important gigs alone, just the rp250..without my Randall for distortion..the solo sound works its purpose nicely..and i still have to fiddle arround to find good rhytm tone for my 7 string..
                        and, just for record, i am using Ibanez rg7620 (w/dimarzios)..
                        when i set nice drum pattern, i simply cant stop playing!

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                        • Well, i have contacted digitech support..
                          They have told me not to turn off amp modeler, but to set it to direct..
                          That should minimise the coloration..
                          I bought the unit..
                          I think of it as a expanded volume/whamy pedal with a tuner..and only for use like that, it justifies its price..and still, i use the delay and reverb..also mod effects..
                          Everything but its dist/amp models..cause i use mine Randall..
                          I still havent tested it to see EXACTLY how big coloration is, but i have tried it, and it was very very subtle..then agaim, almost every delay pedal (except true bypass-expensive ones) would give similar coloration..and it would be probably much greater if all these padals would be in use (whammy, delay, reverb, chorus..).so i think that it sounds pretty much ok for this..

                          Considering amp models and their distortion, i have tried them just for couriosity, and although i havent actually played all of these original amps, all distorted sounds sound like a crapp..really..terrible..(just for the record, i have tried it using return input of my ss amp..).i tried both, using output set to amp and mixer..it really sounds like hell..not in a good way! although i thout that i could use it for recording on my pc, just for recording some ideas, i think that it wont serve that purpose..

                          I am away now, so i will test it a bit more in a 2 days..

                          But, to summ all, i use it in effect loop, for effects delays and reverbs..volume pedal and whammy..and its doing really ok with that..!



                          So is the Whammy effect easy to set and use? What about the modulation effects and reverb? I'm in the same boat. I have a XXX head and GB 2x12. I need plug and play.... easy onstage, at my feet tweaking. I bought an XTL with an interest in using just the effects live. Instead it's way more than what I need. I just want to use this for FX. If the Whammy is good (2 Octave) I'll ditch my Whammy and replace it with this.
                          so over this signature BS!!!

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                          • Well, i have never used the real whammy..but, actually, i am not sure how much better it could be..but probably is..i dunno..but why would they sell it separatelly if not?
                            Considering the whammy efect on the rp250 it would be probably the best to read about it from the manual from digitech.com
                            But, in short, you have 2 modes with whammy:
                            1)Whammy (no dry signal)..
                            options in this mode are 1 octave above, 2 octaves above, a second below, a second below reversed pedal action, a fourth below, an octave below, 2 octaves below, dive bomb

                            2) Harmony bends (dry signal added)
                            minor 3rd to major 3rd, 2nd above to major 3rd above, a 3rd above to 4th above, a 4th to a 5th above, a 5th to an octave above, an octave above, octave down, octave up/down

                            You also can adjust interval and direction of teh pitch band, manual control of the pedal position, and adjust the mix level..

                            Considering the mods and reverbs, i like them, but for details, check the manual..
                            And, i am not sure what you ment buy saying tweakable on foot..?
                            XXX head, huh? WOW..! I wish i have something like that..!

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                            • Well, i have never used the real whammy..but, actually, i am not sure how much better it could be..but probably is..i dunno..but why would they sell it separatelly if not?
                              Considering the whammy efect on the rp250 it would be probably the best to read about it from the manual from digitech.com
                              But, in short, you have 2 modes with whammy:
                              1)Whammy (no dry signal)..
                              options in this mode are 1 octave above, 2 octaves above, a second below, a second below reversed pedal action, a fourth below, an octave below, 2 octaves below, dive bomb

                              2) Harmony bends (dry signal added)
                              minor 3rd to major 3rd, 2nd above to major 3rd above, a 3rd above to 4th above, a 4th to a 5th above, a 5th to an octave above, an octave above, octave down, octave up/down

                              You also can adjust interval and direction of teh pitch band, manual control of the pedal position, and adjust the mix level..

                              Considering the mods and reverbs, i like them, but for details, check the manual..
                              And, i am not sure what you ment buy saying tweakable on foot..?
                              XXX head, huh? WOW..! I wish i have something like that..!



                              I just meant with a few knob turns I would be able to tweak an effect in real time. Actually that really isn't so important. I really just want to be able to to edit, set, access a few effects presets easily with the amp models turned completely off. I want a small footprint. I want easy access to the Whammy Effect. This is for 100% live use.
                              so over this signature BS!!!

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                              • i guess that it would be fine..but, if i were you, i would compared the real whamm, if you already have it, and rp250s whammy..
                                Also, the whammy effect requires to be in front of the preamp..when you use it in conjuction with the distortion from the processor, it says that it automaticly places whammy in the front, but i am not sure what is the situation when you use dist from the amp..cause, i guess, cause you asked about delays, that you want to use it in effects loop..?
                                Although, i remember i tryed rp250s whammy in the loop, while using the dist from Randalls preamp, and it sounded well..
                                I would try thist to tell you is it working, but my amps is not at my place till weekend..
                                Hope taht i helped you a bit

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