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  • #31
    µnominal wrote:
    So the GNX1-4 units also have the AudioDNA2 chips? So these new units are just lower priced versions? Or have they improved on the GNX's?
    The GNX series uses the AudioDNA chips and the RPx50 series uses the improved AudioDNA2 chips.
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    • #32
      Hello everyone,

      I'm currently looking for a mfx unit and the RP250 (or possibly RP350) and the zoom G7 are on my short list. This review thread has been a great source of information.

      I've gone to the Digitech web site and checked out the preset demo and, like most preset patches, the it seems that the gains are cranked and the sounds are dripping wet with effects.

      My question is to those of you who have worked with the RP250 for a while. Just how good (or bad) does this thing sound when you dial in your own patches? Can you get a nice, warm, smooth overdrive sound from the 250?

      Thanks in advance,

      BrewBuck72
      EBMM Axis Sport
      Carvin Bolt
      Fender Standard Telecaster (MIM)
      Ibanez SA260FM

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      • #33
        I tend to agree with BrewBuck72 that most presets are tweazed out to show their stuff in a crowded, noisy music store showroom with a bunch of attention-deficit-afflicted tire-kickers pawing their product.

        But I think in this case, the RP250 has two things going for it:

        1. The new AudioDNA2 chip, which is faster, more efficient, and just better than previous technology.

        2. The additional tone-shaping power that editing through X-Edit 2.0 gives you.

        What BrewBuck72 is asking for is still a personal, subjective call. So check out the Zoom and the RP250, but since this is a forum on the RP250, make sure you consider the two points above when you audition the units. I don't know that you'll have the benefit of trying out the RP250 with the editor (you'd need a laptop hooked up to it), but if you're going to be living with this thing, X-Edit 2.0 is indispensable and might just tip the scales for you.

        But to answer the question, Does the RP250 give you nice, smooth, warm overdrive? I say yes. And subtle and nuanced and dynamically responsive, too.
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        • #34
          i have a gnx4 - will my patches work on a rp250? is there an adaptor? is there a warp function on the x edit for the 250? i have protracks (came with gnx4) for recording - can that be used for recording with the rp250?

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          • #35
            Jon,

            Thanks for the response. I agree, the concept of a good tone is very subjective. Maybe I should have phrased my question differently. I know that when I go try one of these things out, I probably won't have the time to dial in the tone I want so I was looking for feedback from users who have had a chance to really do some tweaking.

            With respect to the "artist" patches in the preset demo, I was dissapointed with the Hendrix (too much fuzz), Clapton (sounds like he was playing in the next room), and Zeppelin (just plain weak) sounds. Has anyone been able to dial in artist tones they consider to be better than the presets?
            EBMM Axis Sport
            Carvin Bolt
            Fender Standard Telecaster (MIM)
            Ibanez SA260FM

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            • #36
              Are these units true-bypass, or is your signal always A/D'ed and D/A'ed?

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              • #37
                Are these units true-bypass, or is your signal always A/D'ed and D/A'ed?

                Yes, the RP250 employs a true bypass. Page 2 of the manual states, "The presets can be bypassed via a true analog bypass circuit for a clean, unprocessed guitar signal."

                (See a related discussion begun by Anderton on 10/30/06, subject "Reamp via USB.")

                Forumites: The pdf of the RP250 manual is online at DigiTech's website, so if you have specific questions, download the manual and use the word-search function (the binoculars icon) in Adobe Acrobat to find the desired subject.

                http://www.digitech.com/products/RP_newpgs/rp250.htm
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                • #38
                  With the search feature disabled it's a bit difficult to find the referenced discussion. Can you provide a link to Anderton's "Reamp via USB."

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                  • #39
                    drmathprog wrote:
                    With the search feature disabled it's a bit difficult to find the referenced discussion. Can you provide a link to Anderton's "Reamp via USB."
                    It's in this thread, 7 posts down:
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                    • #40
                      keelin wrote:
                      1. i have a gnx4 - will my patches work on a rp250? 2. is there an adaptor? 3. is there a warp function on the x edit for the 250? 4. i have protracks (came with gnx4) for recording - can that be used for recording with the rp250?

                      1. No, the RP250 uses an entirely different DSP architecture (as well as newly designed amp and effects models) that prevents converting presets directly between the two devices.

                      2. Yes, a power adapter is included with the RP250.

                      3. No, the warp feature is only available in the GNX products.

                      4. Yes, you can download and install the ASIO driver and use the RP250 with Pro Tracks as well as any other ASIO-compatible recording software.
                      Jon Chappell
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by BrewBuck72
                        Jon,

                        Thanks for the response. I agree, the concept of a good tone is very subjective. Maybe I should have phrased my question differently. I know that when I go try one of these things out, I probably won't have the time to dial in the tone I want so I was looking for feedback from users who have had a chance to really do some tweaking.

                        With respect to the "artist" patches in the preset demo, I was dissapointed with the Hendrix (too much fuzz), Clapton (sounds like he was playing in the next room), and Zeppelin (just plain weak) sounds. Has anyone been able to dial in artist tones they consider to be better than the presets?



                        Just to echo your observation and Jon's sentiment here, I agree that much of the patches are overdone. I have a MIM Fat Strat I installed Lone Star Strat Pickups (PGPlus in bridge). They are pretty hot. I find the EQ too high or tinny on many patches. I used Xedit 2.0 (free download - Digitech), and developed my own sound that I feel shows off my original tone better with a just a little bite. I don't see a good rhythm/country preset among them all. Adjusting this myself convinced me that for a DIGITAL effects system, I don't think you can get better!!!
                        I must admit, though, Jon's PRS McCarty sounds GREAT under the #4 Blues setting.. better than the one used on Digitech's site. THAT is the sound I'm looking for... Gonna go tweak that one tonight for my guitar..


                        I had considered the Zoom G7.1 'ut' version because of the tube preamp.. The demo available is too muddled to hear the guitar alone, but everyone I've seen posts it sounds great.. Too expensive for me though. At half the price, (and a better size IMO), I think you get much more for your money from the RP250.
                        The TRUE bypass is fantastic as well, since you can compare before & after, and balance the overall volume better. I bought the Line6 Floor Pod, but returned it a few days later. It's $50.00 more, too simple (not much for the money), and doesn't sound as good as the RP250.

                        Thank you so much Jon, for the time you spent and careful descriptions of the functions and sounds that you get out of the RP250. You've painted an accurate picture with your words (and of course sounds) of what this beauty can do. After the RP200, I didn't think I would buy another Digitech product. My mind has beend changed and I'm a happy customer.

                        Later -Jeff

                        Here's a patch I created for a Strat #2 position...

                        http://www.digitech.com/soundcomm/guitar_view_patch.asp?productid=226&patch_id=10547

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                        • #42


                          Here's my current board setup with my RP 200. I'm never going to connect it to my PC to record etc. I love the way I use it now and it sounds great through both my Crate XT120R and my Valve Junior Head with Crate 412 cab. I have had my RP 200 going on 6 years now and am thrilled with it. My question is with the new upgrades of the RP250, if I were to upgrade would I notice a great deal of difference in the sound quality.
                          "These riffs were built to last a life time". Keith Richards

                          "All the women in the world want a phony rock star who plays guitar". John Cougar Mellencamp

                          "
                          If you're listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you're a bigger moron than they are." Alice Cooper

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                          • #43
                            First, to JEFF2EARTH:

                            Nice job on the patch! I downloaded it, and really like what you've done with the compression, EQ, and judicious application of ambient effects. Good documentation, too!

                            If you record a segment using this, please post it here. I play country rock, too, and your patch immediately made sense when I put my Strat in the #2 position.

                            A word of explanation: JEFF2EARTH has contributed a preset to DigiTech's online community, which is a forum where guitarists can swap presets and discuss their findings. JEFF2EARTH provides a direct link to his preset, but you can get there this way, too:

                            Digitech.com/soundcomm

                            Guitar Products --> RP Products --> RP250.

                            * * *

                            To mikesr1963:

                            Nice pedalboard! Thanks for posting the photo (a bit out of focus to these eyes, but I can make out most of it).

                            In answer to your question: Even if you never hook up your RP250 to a computer, you might consider upgrading. First of all, the footprint and layout match your existing RP200, so no board or brain modifications are required.

                            Also, consider we ARE talking about electronic technology, and a company as smart and progressive and hardworking as DigiTech will certainly have availed themselves of faster and more powerful processors in the six years since you've been using the RP200. But this is how it is with any technology -- computers, cars, cellphones, etc.

                            My advice: Write down the parameters of a couple of your favorite presets on the RP200. Go to your local music store and try to tweak the RP250 to match your existing sound. You'll have to make some decisions, as the sound architecture is not identical, but you should be able to get close. Decide if the new sounds you're hearing are enough of an improvement to consider upgrading. As I said, the fact that the RP200 and RP250 are similar in form factor and navigation may be an advantage in your case.
                            Jon Chappell
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                            • #44
                              Thanks for the reply. I backed off the verb a bit and reposted on Digitech's site.. Here is a before & after (using the RP250's bypass for the 'before') of a short strum & then riff.. I've been strumming my Gibson EC10 Acoustic Electric so long just playing rhythm & chords, I'm starting to see how sloppy I've become here.. This pedal inspires me to keep playing my Fender Strat!!
                              I've found that putting this FatStrat 'voice' next to the RP250's factory SOLDLY (solo-delay) in succession works great when toggling from rhythm to solo riffs all within the same song. The nice gritty feel from the solo preset is nicely compatible with the EQ settings of my FatStrat - inasmuch as keeping the shrillness of the highs down anyway..

                              Here's my little sample..

                              Oooops, Size limitations here not working. Just posting the 'riff'..

                              Not sure why, but this saves as a *.php file. You must rename it 'riff.mp3' file to get it to work. . -Jeff

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                              • #45
                                You must rename it 'riff.mp3' file to get it to work.
                                Actually, you just have to rename the extension (the 3 letters after the dot) to "mp3." Then the mp3 icon is restored, and you can open it with the mp3 player of your choice (iTunes, Windows Media Player, etc.).

                                I like your riff, Jeff -- crunchy-clean, with just a touch of "hair." What's interesting is that I recorded a riff with the same settings (mine is wetter than yours, because I left your original ambient settings intact), and came up with the slightly more gnarly sounding riff here:

                                Jeff's Fat Strat Preset.mp3

                                Since we're both recording direct, it must be the difference in our pickups. Weird how the same setting in the multi-effects processor can sound so different, depending on the guitar -- even we're both using an HSS-configured Strat in the #2 position.

                                Different strokes for different folks! This preset would sound good with some single-note riffs, too, or a mix of chordal playing and single-note passages.
                                Jon Chappell
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