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  • #16
    I just got off the phone with DigiTech's David Rohrer, who told me that X-Edit 2.0, the editor/librarian for the RP250, is now online at Digitech.com/software_downloads.

    There is a firmware update for the RP250 and RP150 and a driver for the RP250. The software is for Windows only, but the Mac versions will follow in about a week.

    Also, David reports, the RP350 will be hitting the stores sometime in November. We'll keep you apprised.
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    • #17
      I just installed X-Edit 2.0 and it looks pretty nice. Here's a screenshot:






      Bob

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      • #18
        Thanks for posting that, Bob. Here's my own screen shot, showing the drop-down menus for the amp models. This lets you see all your choices at once, rather than having to scroll through them, as you would on the unit's front panel.

        For forumites not used to working with an editor/librarian, the physical unit and the onscreen panel work together -- tweaking a knob on the unit shows up on the screen, and vice versa. This makes it very easy to tweak parameters at will, from the computer or the unit, whichever's closer and/or handier for the way you like to work.

        Of course, you can store your results on the computer, and load the unit with previously stored sounds.

        Using the computer makes it much more convenient to organize vast quantities of sounds (and eyeball them at a glance), even if you prefer to edit from the unit's front panel.

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        • #19
          rsowden wrote:
          I'm also looking forward to the X-Edit software which allows some hidden parameters to be tweaked. For example, in the EQ section you can move the mid and treble frequency range similar to a parametric EQ. You can also adjust the "Butt" parameter in the Grunge Distortion if need be.


          X-Edit 2.0 reveals even more adjustable parameters than are available from the front panel.

          Below are two screen shots:

          Top: A drop-down menu listing the overall effect, which sets the specific parameters below it accordingly.

          Bottom: Red circles showing the individual parameters not available through the RP250's front panel.

          So you must use X-Edit 2.0 to appreciate the full extent of the RP250's tone-shaping powers. Remember, X-Edit is free and downloadable.


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          • #20
            Oh, and Bob wasn't kidding about adjusting the "Butt" parameter in the Grunge distortion model. Only Grunge, Face, and Loud are accessible via the RP250's front panel. To crank up the backside portion of your sound, you need to make a bootie-call through X-Edit.


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            • #21
              Jon -- great news abot X-Edit. I use the editing software all the time with my trusty GNX-4, it makes it so much easier to arrange custom patch sets and such.

              I wonder how many guitarists actually get "down and dirty" with editing software...thoughts?
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              • #22
                Anderton wrote:
                I wonder how many guitarists actually get "down and dirty" with editing software...thoughts?

                I've been wondering that myself. My own experience, before coming to the Harmony Central Forums, is that guitarists into stompboxes and floor-based multi-effects processors don't really work with or know all that much about editor/librarians. (But HC forumites have a higher gear-literacy rate compared to most other fourm frequenters, which has got me thinking.)

                Under many circumstances, it's okay not to use an editor to create sounds, as knob-tweaking guitarists can get around a front panel pretty dang quickly, and nothing is lost except some efficiency. Why convert a knob-twiddler to a computer user, all things being equal? It reminds me of the pointless battles I have with my wife about using keystrokes instead of the mouse. (She uses a mouse for everything -- to Save, Print, even for the highlighted OK in a dialog box. Don't get me started. ) I don't bother to fight it anymore, because if it gets the job done, why argue? Different strokes, and all that.

                But that's not the case with the RP250 and X-Edit 2.0.

                If you don't use X-Edit, you're missing out on editable parameters, hidden features, and the true sound-shaping powers that the unit holds in its brain. That's just plain stoopid. I think DigiTech should supply an RP250 workstation outfitted with a PC and X-Edit 2.0 to every Guitar Center in the country!

                So what about it, fellow fretmeisters? Do you use an editor/librarian for your effects? Do real guitarists have to resort to computers to get their sound? Do you think it's right for DigiTech and others to make some features of their effects accessible only through a computer? Do you think computers steal your soul?

                Let me hear about it.
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                • #23
                  Speaking of computers.....can you re-amp via USB on this unit?

                  In addition, if the editor is able to act as a DAW plug-in, then it becomes a nice package.

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                  • #24
                    patchcon wrote:
                    Speaking of computers.....can you re-amp via USB on this unit?

                    In addition, if the editor is able to act as a DAW plug-in, then it becomes a nice package.
                    Any time you re-amp, you assume you're using some sort of front-end to get your signal into the recorder -- typically a guitar and a direct box. So, if you set up a clean, neutral sound on the RP250, then, sure, you can use this neutral setting as your front end, and the USB functionality is a neat and clean way to get into your computer. Guitar [audio]--> RP250 [USB]--> Computer. Two cords (three, if you count the power cord to the RP250). Monitor the output of your DAW in the usual way, through your existing monitors. (Or route it back through the RP250 and listen through headphones.)

                    What you can't do is use the Bypass and USB together. In other words, you can record your signal using a clean treatment, with flat or minimal EQ (and no distortion or ambient effects), but once you kick the unit into "Bypass," the USB recording stops.

                    So the best thing is to use the RP250's sound-shaping tools not for a processed effect, but to set up your guitar to be as close as possible to your "guitar into a D.I.," "reamp template" sound.

                    X-Edit works only as a stand-alone app., not as a plug-in.
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                    • #25
                      Hey Jon -- I need to check out the RP features, but the GNX4 has an option to send dry guitar to one channel and processed to another. You can then select REAMP VIA USB as an input, and send the dry signal from the GNX4 into an open channel on your multitrack.

                      It wouldn't suprise me if this feature was unique to the Workstation product line, as the GNX4 is pretty advanced. But some variation of that may have "trickled down" into the RP. I'll check it out when I get a chance..........
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                      • #26
                        Anderton wrote:
                        You can then select REAMP VIA USB as an input, and send the dry signal from the GNX4 into an open channel on your multitrack.
                        Wow, that is a really cool feature, and knowing this may have prompted patchcon's question.

                        But no such feature exists in the RP250, at least in the present firmware version. I should remind everyone that although the RP250 is the beneficiary of the AudioDNA2 technology, shared by higher-end DigiTech processors, we are talking about a $150 box, so some of these more esoteric and high-end recording features may have been scrapped to keep the price down.

                        But keep in mind that in addition to interfacing with a computer via USB for DAW recording, the the RP250 makes excellent use of the X-Edit 2.0 editor/librarian. That should make most computer-using guitarists (myself included) happy.

                        Also, remember that sound goes both ways as far as the USB connection in the RP250. You can work on a multitrack project using just your laptop (loaded with virtual instruments and effect plug-ins), guitar, and RP250. Just route the multitrack audio back through the RP250 and monitor off of headphones. You can jam along live this way, too.

                        This is especially handy if you're traveling and want to minimize the gear you must tote to record.
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                        • #27
                          Hi guys

                          I believe the term is "hardware plug-in"

                          Take a look at the Lexicon MX400.....

                          Thanks

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                          • #28
                            It reminds me of the pointless battles I have with my wife about using keystrokes instead of the mouse. (She uses a mouse for everything -- to Save, Print, even for the highlighted OK in a dialog box. Don't get me started. ) I don't bother to fight it anymore, because if it gets the job done, why argue? Different strokes, and all that.


                            Off topic but....

                            Your wife is most likely right. The mouse is almost always faster than using keyboard shortcuts or even a trackball. Using your mouse may not 'feel' faster, but it usually is faster. I've read through most of the Ask Tog website, which is run by a former Apple UI design guy. He's done a lot of research in this area and talks quite a bit about it if you take to time to read through most of his site.

                            On topic...

                            So the GNX1-4 units also have the AudioDNA2 chips? So these new units are just lower priced versions? Or have they improved on the GNX's? How well doyou think they compare to the Pod Xt?
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                            • #29
                              patchcon wrote:
                              I believe the term is "hardware plug-in"
                              It is indeed a great concept, patchcon! Wish I'd thought of it (and copyrighted it, and licensed it, and collected royalties on it ).

                              USB control over hardware devices is definitely a trend I want to see continue. But the Lexicon MX400 is $500 (and the MX200, which also offers this feature, is $200); the RP250 costs a buck and a half.

                              And remember, in the spirit of comparing apples to apples, the MX is a rack unit, and doesn't provide an expression pedal, whereas the RP250 is a performance-based guitar processor with some computer goodies tossed in for good measure.
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                              • #30
                                DigiTech has posted their demo of the RP250 in a neat presentation:

                                http://www.digitech.com/RP250Demo

                                You can select either the Pedal View or the X-Edit View to step through all 60 presets, but I suggest the X-Edit View.

                                This allows you to see the parameters, and is much more revealing as to how a sound is built. Remember, there are adjustable parameters in X-Edit that you can't accesss from the processor's front panel, and this shows the parameters and their settings.

                                There's some nice guitar work going on here! Some of my faves:

                                01 PLXDRV
                                03 SOLDLY
                                06 RECTFD
                                07 STACK
                                09 PRIDE
                                14 BASMAN
                                20 CHKPKN
                                23 GREASR
                                28 ACOUST
                                31 SWELL
                                40 KILLER
                                41 OCTDVD
                                57 LEDZEP
                                60 SATCH
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