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  • #61





    One thing I'm surprised is missing is any integration between the PC and the MusiQ system.



    Freakin' bummer. I just lost my interest in the 4. I was hoping and expecting this P correct - MusiQ integration. I use a TC Helicon for pitch correction, and after experimenting with the parameters, I make the best of my shredder guitar player's voice. The problem is that using chromatic is often not good enough, and I use a FCB 1010 midi pedal to change keys, live, between songs and even mid song.



    BTW, using P correction in the woodshed gives me quicker feedback than does a recording, as far as whether I'm on pitch. I then try to adjust my vocal instrument according to things learned from voice lessons.



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    • #62






      Quote Originally Posted by GlennGalen
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      Here is a quick thing I dashed off to show you how the VL4 sounds.



      This is Preset 18 Eaglets 2, on a country/folk tune:



      http://www.GlennGalen.com/VL4.mp3






      Thanks!



      one question: how many harmonies does this preset use?



      Thanks, just wondering



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      • #63
        Glenngalen:

        What preset(s) did you use for the song that you posted?

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        • #64






          Quote Originally Posted by gc24
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          Glenngalen:

          What preset(s) did you use for the song that you posted?




          gc24,



          It really was Preset 18 Eaglets 2.





          __________________________________________________ _____

          Originally Posted by GlennGalen:

          "Here is a quick thing I dashed off to show you how the VL4 sounds."



          "This is Preset 18 Eaglets 2, on a country/folk tune:"

          __________________________________________________ ______
          http://www.reverbnation.com/GlennGalen

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          • #65






            Quote Originally Posted by orbm1
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            Thanks!



            one question: how many harmonies does this preset use?



            Thanks, just wondering



            Omar




            Omar,



            It's just a single "3rd above" harmony voice.
            http://www.reverbnation.com/GlennGalen

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            • #66
              My bad, I should have seen that you posted what preset it was. Thanks, nice sound and music.

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              • #67
                I meant to note previously that the programed version that comes up as the VL 4 starts up is saying "1.4". I'm curious if, like the TC Helicon, there will be new versions of the program? My point being that without midi in on the VL 4, there would seemingly be no way to update the version on the VL 4!



                Perhaps there is a way to program it into the unit but I can't see how. The issue here will be improving any bugs or advances to the unit without having to buy a new unit. DigiTech will want to answer this one I guess but I'm wondering if any one has thoughts on that and if everyone is seeing this "1.4" on start up.
                Keith (The Whiners)
                Sample using the VL 4 in a LIVE scenario ... Hear The Whiners using the VL and TC Helicon Harmony G units combined for harmony in recordings at The Whiners Web

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                • #68
                  What about for solo gigs with just me and an acoustic guitar? Is the 'digital' sound of the unit likely to be more obvious? I generally don't use a drum machine or backing tracks, just me and my acoustic.
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                  • #69
                    Yea, I see it. Your always going to have improvements on anything electronic, it just the nature of technology. Frankly, I'm glad that we have this.



                    Mot 2: Yea, your going to notice it alot. That's what I do and it sounds great as long as you don't overdue it with the harmonies.

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                    • #70






                      Quote Originally Posted by gc24
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                      My bad, I should have seen that you posted what preset it was. Thanks, nice sound and music.




                      gc24...



                      Hehe. That's OK. Thanks for the compliment.



                      As far as the track, it really highlights what the VoiceLive is all about. Because I just fired up Band in a Box, muted everything except the drums and bass, plugged in my Strat, selected Eaglets 2...hit "Play" and and took off.



                      After several takes to get the balance right between lead vocal, harmonies, and guitar and Band in a Box...it was "good enough".



                      If you listen to that harmony track, I think it sounds extremely realistic at the level it was mixed.



                      I really like the harmony it generates on the words "they put it off for quite SOME time..." the harmony against the underlying guitar chords, is great. Just right.



                      http://www.GlennGalen.com/VL4.mp3



                      I was listening to a James Taylor track on my MP3 player the other day. I have great headphones and can really hear things "as they are". I noticed that even his harmony singers are so "blended back" that I'd never really be able to notice if they are fake or real. Of course, they are real, though.



                      Had I tried to do my example track by overdubbing the harmony track, it would have taken me MUCH longer to figure out exactly the right harmony line and get that recorded.



                      There are 2 or 3 "flat" notes on that take. No pitch correction.



                      It is interesting how the harmonies go flat as well ! They are such loyal "followers".



                      I realize that can all be set to correction as well.
                      http://www.reverbnation.com/GlennGalen

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                      • #71






                        Quote Originally Posted by jerrye
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                        I was hoping and expecting this P correct - MusiQ integration. I use a TC Helicon for pitch correction, and after experimenting with the parameters, I make the best of my shredder guitar player's voice. The problem is that using chromatic is often not good enough, and I use a FCB 1010 midi pedal to change keys, live, between songs and even mid song.




                        I am at a loss to understand why DigiTech didn't integrate the PC and the MusiQ. It seems like a complete no-brainer. I can only assume they have their reasons. I've sent a question to DT tech support. I'll let you know what I hear.



                        Anyway, all is not lost. It would be simple enough to set up a few different presets in different keys. In practical terms, I can see narrowing the VL4 down to no more than two or three harmony presets. Figure that at most we would play using four or five different keys, and that gives you at most 15 presets to fiddle with. A very manageable number.



                        So you would have "3U + 5U in A Minor" as a preset, etc. Simple enough to tap from one to the next.



                        And you still have the benefit of the MusiQ for actually generating the harmonies.



                        Still, it makes me wonder why they didn't do this in the first place. Also, my VL4 displays "Version 1.4" at startup as well. I wonder if the PC-MusiQ integration could be added in software...

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                        • #72
                          GlennGalen: So which Band in a Box do you prefer. I notice that they have a 2007 one out now.

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                          • #73
                            gc24,



                            I have upgraded Band in a Box (BIAB) for years. I have 2007 now. It's an amazing program, once you learn how to use it properly. A tremendous time saver for "bread and butter" backing tracks. I used to get so tired of creating basic drum and bass backup tracks for my songs. Boring.



                            But BIAB takes care of that, and then I build from there on the "hard stuff".



                            Careful, though. If you rely too much on Band in the Box without adding more complex twists on your own, you end up with very bland, simplistic tracks. You have to use BIAB as one tool, but you have to add to it for the best sounding tracks.



                            An example of a track I am proud of that use BIAB as a "base", and where I played all the "hard stuff", is the track on my website called "Traveling By Night". I played the rhythm guitar, the lead guitar, and the synth backing pad.



                            It's the first track on the MP3 player on the website.
                            http://www.reverbnation.com/GlennGalen

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                            • #74
                              Below is my question to DigiTech regarding the integration of PC and MusiQ, and their answer. I'm not sure I get what he is saying, but there it is:



                              ************************************************



                              Hi,

                              The reason is because the Pitch Correction only affects the lead vocal,

                              not the harmonies. They harmonize with the corrected pitch.



                              William Clayton

                              Harman Music Group

                              Technical Support Group



                              -----Original Message-----

                              From: Jeff Miller [mailto:jeff@thejeffmiller.com]

                              Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:23 PM

                              To: support@digitech.com

                              Subject: Question on VL4, Pitch Correction and MusiQ



                              I am curious about something...



                              It seems like it would have been a simple matter to integrate the Pitch

                              Correction and the MusiQ functions (so the PC was always based on the

                              current chord) on the Vocalist Live 4. What is the reason that wasn't done?



                              Jeff Miller

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                              • #75






                                Quote Originally Posted by Omaha
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                                I am curious about something...



                                It seems like it would have been a simple matter to integrate the Pitch

                                Correction and the MusiQ functions (so the PC was always based on the

                                current chord) on the Vocalist Live 4. What is the reason that wasn't done?



                                Jeff Miller






                                Jeff,



                                I think it's because the pitch correction could not determine the proper pich from a multi-note the chord; it requires a scale.



                                Example: You are supposed to sing E, but you sing G instead. You are playing a C chord...C-E-G. How does that help on pitch correction?
                                http://www.reverbnation.com/GlennGalen

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